Whites Tree Frog in trouble..Please help!

[kueluck]

Poor little thing........and like Lynn said, "You have saved him" And you can NEVER go wrong with getting a fecal done. Hang in there, looks like the light at the end of the tunnel is just about there.

[Heatheranne]

Great job! Keep up the good work. It sounds like he is on the mend .

[xXxHeavenxXx]

Hi everyone..I need help ASAP! We went to feed him tonight..did everything we normally do..pedialyte and then a feeding..and he threw up a cricket he ate the last time! Is this a bad sign? First time ive ever seen a frog throw up

[xXxHeavenxXx]

still no poop either..and its been a week and a day since he started eating steadily. I hope hes alright? is it possible I overfed him? maybe that last cricket didnt go down all the way? =(

[Heatheranne]

Try feeding the reptaboost. It comes with a small syringe. Go slowly and let him swallow a few drops at a time.

[xXxHeavenxXx]

okay. He seemed hungry today so I helped him eat a cricket and then he went back to sleep. Hopefully this one stays down! I wish he would poop! lol

[xXxHeavenxXx]

I will check petsmart and petco for the reptaboost again tomorrow.

[xXxHeavenxXx]

Hi everyone. Today it looks sorta grim. The last few days were pretty good. He was dipping and eating for me. He did throw up 2 more crickets. Not too sure why he still hasnt pooped to our knowledge. We don't see much around the tank that we cant otherwise dismiss as skin or cricket skin. Today though he looks like hes getting his green spots back I dont know why that could be. I only see one really small spot. Hes shedding tonight but I still want to try and get him to eat. I will let you guys know how he is tomorrow.

[Heatheranne]

Can you try the reptaboost?

[xXxHeavenxXx]

Hi again! we did locate the reptaboost.. I have not used it yet since he was still eating. The green spots we saw went away so I guess it was not what I thought. I am thinking at this point something else is wrong. He has not pooped in weeks now. Not really sure why since he did eat and he does not throw up everything. So where is the rest of it going? I cant figure out how/why hes not going to the bathroom. Unless hes going so tiny that we've been mistaking them as cricket parts we have not seen a thing. Any thoughts? Should we give him the reptaboost? I hate to pry his mouth open when hes eating for me..but if it will give him something that the crickets aren't and help him go to the bathroom then I will. I just didnt want to stress him out. He has been off the baytril now for a few days..I still see that hes not shedding properly..and the last few days we went to feed him hes been shedding so he didn't want to eat. Its kind of weird..he does a lot of the swallowing type movement and arching his back with his eyes shut..but he doesnt try to move the skin or open his mouth wide to get it in. When we see this we get a bath ready for him. I just cant figure it out at this point. Would some other problem cause him to not go to the bathroom? I cant imagine that its impaction since I have always fed him in a small separate tank with no bark, dirt or substrate just bare.

[kueluck]

Have you tried nightcrawlers? You could cut them into smaller pieces. Since they are soft bodied and very moist it might help move things along, I know it does in my Garter snakes.

Also if he's eating well and feeds from tongs or fingers get a syringe & needle from your Vet, inject the meds into the feeder bug and just feed the bug. I did this with my 3 WTF and it worked out great.

I know how frustrating it can be and I almost gave up, but I'm so glad I didn't.

[Heatheranne]

You don't need the reptaboost if he is eating. If he doesn't eat for you on the days of shedding, you can put the cricket or night crawler piece in his mouth when he opens wide. Night crawlers are softer, easier to digest, and more nutritious than crickets, so they are a great choice if he'll take them. Odd that you see no poo if he's eating. How often is he taking food for you?

[xXxHeavenxXx]

Hmm good idea on the night crawlers. I was curious if they move at all in front of him if I cut them up. I can't get him to take anything from the tongs unfortunately =( I have tried a ton of times since he doesnt have all of his energy and misses quite a bit. He wont eat the cricket unless its moving and running towards him no matter how much we try to talk some sense into him lol (yes ive even tried talking sense into him while hes trying to eat!) I dont get why he wont let us make it easy for him. I have to sit there while he eats and chase the crickets toward him so he has a fighting chance. If I just leave them in with him..he wont eat them by himself. He was eating very steadily with us for a week. He ate about 2 every other day or every other 2 days, but then he started throwing them back up. The first 3 or so feedings I want to say he kept all the crickets down. We did not notice anything being thrown up. He then on about the 4th feeding threw up only 1 cricket when he ate two. And then the 5th feeding he threw up both of them. I thought that perhaps it may have been the baytril. Our vet had suggested we give it to him an extra week when we called him since he still seemed a little bloated and not pooping. He said it shouldnt hurt him. When he started going into overtime with the baytril was when we noticed the throwing up. Therefore, we made the executive decision and said okay lets stop the baytril since he already had an extra few days on it. At this point he hasnt eaten in about 4 days which is a little long for him. We tried last night but he made no attempt. We will be trying again tonight. this is the first time hes went this long, but im not overly concerned yet since like I said he was shedding which makes him uninterested.

When I say he is shedding, I notice the skin hanging off him. He doesnt seem to be shedding properly. He swallows hard, arches his back, and sucks in his sides but makes no attempt to open wide and eat the skin as usual. He seems to try and "wipe it off" his face instead of wiping it into his mouth. He does not open his mouth at all. If it makes any sense at all, it seems like it bogs him down for a while. Even if we wait a few hours and come back..the skin is still there..and hes still either sleeping or very stressed and unfocused.

That pretty much brings you up to speed about where we are. sometimes hes energetic other times not so much. He does soak for us now if his paper towels dry up on him, but we try to keep on top of that. We havent given him any pedialyte for a while though if he doesnt eat tonight we may try a pedialyte dip to give him some energy. No noticeably sized poop that we can definitely say thats what it is. And some vomiting of crickets =(. I hate to see something bad happen NOW that we've been through everything and it seemed positive. I just don't know why he wont go for us. I feel like if I could just get him to do that for me..we'd be in the zone! I mean..if hes not going..and his tummy is full..no wonder hes throwing up! Let me know about those night crawlers! or some kind of froggy laxative lol..some kind of dip? more honey? ugh so frustrating to have him doing so well with the eating..and now something else! Hes been in that hospital tank for at least 3 weeks now..and no poop.

Thanks guys!

[xXxHeavenxXx]

Here are some pictures I just took when I checked up on him..and he has these on and off spots again! Not his normal color either he is normally a beautiful green. I also took a picture of his bloaty belly he gets since he has that today too. Let me know what you guys think

[Heatheranne]

Try the warm honey soak again. See if you can get him to poop.

[kueluck]

The night crawlers will move around lot once you cut them. I use a very sharp scissors to cut them with. Also you want to use Canadian night crawlers, the red wrigglers a.k.a. trout worms have a nasty smell/taste to them and might be rejected by the frog. I get my worms from Wal-Mart. Also I would switch to natural unbleached paper towel.

[Heatheranne]

If you give the worm pieces a little nudge with some tongs or a spoon, they should wiggle. Feed right after cutting them and the piece will wiggle a bunch.

[xXxHeavenxXx]

If you give the worm pieces a little nudge with some tongs or a spoon, they should wiggle. Feed right after cutting them and the piece will wiggle a bunch.

just took him out to the table =/ he threw up some yellow liquid =( I dont know what to think.

[kueluck]

THAT does not sound good, yellow usually means stomach bile, poor little man. Wish I could help you with this, but I don't have the knowledge or expierience with this. I'm just a sympathetic reader.

[flybyferns]

Hi Lisa,
I read your entire post # 93.

A pedi or honey dip will not hurt him.
This little guy is a fighter!

He was eating very steadily with us for a week. He ate about 2 every other day or every other 2 days, but then he started throwing them back up. Our vet had suggested we give it to him an extra week when we called him since he still seemed a little bloated and not pooping. He said it shouldnt hurt him. When he started going into overtime with the baytril was when we noticed the throwing up.


His symptoms of anorexia and regurgitation( vomiting) need to be discussed with your vet. I would resume the baytril ( as recommended) , or call the vet on Monday. He is not throwing up because he is full. The vomiting is an important symptom to talk to the vet about as it could be a symptom of other or another parasite(s)?

Hes been in that hospital tank for at least 3 weeks now......and no poop
This could be because he is not eating and / or not digesting his food?

What other antibiotic treatment was given besides baytirl?

Lynn