Whites Tree Frog in trouble..Please help!

[Striped marsh]

Well..for the most part I think that was a success! We got it in his mouth and down his throat! I know we are supposed to give it to him slowly..there were a couple times we accidentally flooded his mouth =(. He did a couple good swallows though for us. It seemed like it really tired and stressed him out but while I was giving it to him it was like he knew..he perked up a bunch for us. Unfortunately now he seems extremely tired and wont move very much at all even if I touch him. I just put him in a comfortable spot and position at the bottom of his tank and hopefully he will rest up for us! I am hoping to see a new and improved frog tomorrow! =)

That's great, hopefully he is full of energy when he rests up. Good to hear

[Heatheranne]

How's he doing this evening?

[xXxHeavenxXx]

He is looking pretty good. He may have thrown up some of the reptiboost..but I am not 100% sure as I didn't see him do it. I only say it because it seems like there are some orange-y stains on the paper towel where we put him last night to rest. I do not know if that is the stuff off his face or if he vomited. I picked him up to see his energy and he seems better than yesterday. There is something I think is a little off more recently. Ive had/have other whites..and he seems..sticky? I mist him a bunch (along with his soaks) and he dries out pretty fast. I am not just talking about his feet..but his back too. I mean he has in general a very sticky feeling. He even sticks to himself sometimes with his foot caught on his leg or back and its weird. It actually makes him pretty hard to handle..Is that a dehydration issue?

We are going to try to leave the reptiboost a little more like pudding as suggested so its easier for him to take down. I do see some improvement! He's still my little clicker..still has a drooping mouth..The bloating looks down today.He is stronger..and says "Hello to all that are helping and/or watching my progress!"

[flybyferns]

Wow ! Lisa he looks great !
Keep up the good work.
Your little package is in the mail ( mailed yesterday ...mid-day, so it made the 5 pm pick up from here)
I think you should have it Monday?
Lynn

[Heatheranne]

Great job! I am happy to see him holding himself up . He's so cute .

Did you give the reptaboost another try?

Hmmm...I'm not sure why he feels sticky. Misting and soaking should keep him nicely hydrated. They are like little sponges. I would guess it could be any combination of things...medicine, pedialyte residue, reptaboost residue, he may excrete some of the dextrose through his skin (?) - I have tried to research permeability and electrolyte cross-over (osmolarity) prior but I could not find much data. Or even changes from the illness itself...I can only guess. That's interesting though. Something to think about and keep in mind.

Pondering....

[xXxHeavenxXx]

hey all..I waited a few days to see if he'd eat for me..and he hasnt touched a cricket..I tried to feed him the reptaboost again..but this time hes fighting me a ton =( I got half of it to him..going to give him a break and try to give him the rest a little later I dont want to make him sick. He was trying to get it out of his mouth. Right now hes not happy with me. Hopefully hes going to get better soon!

[xXxHeavenxXx]

alright..hes had all his reptaboost..I am pretty sure he hates me for this..but I really want him to get stronger!

I had a few questions as I look him over..I am noticing some red "armpit" areas right behind his front legs..and he almost seems purple in between his back legs (where they attach to his body.) Its been there a little while and I keep looking at my other whites frog and am trying to compare..I will try to catch a picture of his legs tomorrow. His legs seem red but White's tree frogs naturally have some red in their back legs..so how do you tell if something is wrong there? I am just trying to cover anything and everything that I am noticing while I have him out.

I've also noticed some weird looking (almost looks like blue or black ink pen) marks on his back if you look very very very close. I mean they are like 1 millimeter..and perhaps something from off of the crickets we keep putting in there..but I thought I would share just in case it means something.

I am very confused at this point..All of his symptoms seem the same..still clicking..still holding his mouth open slightly. I am just trying to build him up a little now. I don't know if he has something wrong with him at this point? Or if he needs to be built back up? He wont eat yet for me. and STILL NO POOP! More energy though..I gotta fight him to feed him!

I dont know what to do =(

[flybyferns]

Hi Lisa,
Is he done with all the medications the vet's Rx.
If so keep the Vet posted.
He is really given you a tough time!

? Wait 2 days and see if he either eats on his own or at least poops, !
If you feed him in a bowl - put a bunch in so the cricket movement really gets his attention.

Lynn

[CJ PELCHER]

Hi Lisa,

I have been following this post. I want to commend you on all your hard work with your pet. The dedication and your time is truely showing your a great herp owner. I AM 100% positive all the advice your taking in with the medications and treatments is keeping your little guy alive. He would most likely have passed already and what your doing is AMAZING! I hope he gets better within the week and back to normal.

Question for LYNN and HEATHER: Once he does get better to almost if not all the way normal. How long would you keep him quarentened before putting him back wiht the other?!?

[kueluck]

Lisa, you have one tough little fighter there. Like Corey said, if it wasn't for all you have & are doing for this little one, he wouldn't be around.

I have used this to dose liquid meds and it works like a charm. 22 Gauge Feeding / Dosing Needle Curved - Reptile Basics Inc

[Heatheranne]

alright..hes had all his reptaboost..I am pretty sure he hates me for this..but I really want him to get stronger!

I had a few questions as I look him over..I am noticing some red "armpit" areas right behind his front legs..and he almost seems purple in between his back legs (where they attach to his body.) Its been there a little while and I keep looking at my other whites frog and am trying to compare..I will try to catch a picture of his legs tomorrow. His legs seem red but White's tree frogs naturally have some red in their back legs..so how do you tell if something is wrong there? I am just trying to cover anything and everything that I am noticing while I have him out.

I've also noticed some weird looking (almost looks like blue or black ink pen) marks on his back if you look very very very close. I mean they are like 1 millimeter..and perhaps something from off of the crickets we keep putting in there..but I thought I would share just in case it means something.

I am very confused at this point..All of his symptoms seem the same..still clicking..still holding his mouth open slightly. I am just trying to build him up a little now. I don't know if he has something wrong with him at this point? Or if he needs to be built back up? He wont eat yet for me. and STILL NO POOP! More energy though..I gotta fight him to feed him!

I dont know what to do =(

A picture of the red and ink-like areas might help. Take the pictures before you handle him too much and after. If the red area is present only after he has been handled, it may be a stress response. Pictures would help. When they get upset, their undersides can turn orangish-pink, right before they pee on you. Is that what it looks like? (Hopefully). I'm not sure what the ink-like skin would be but I'll take a look.

Can he open and close his mouth properly when he wants to? How is his swallow reflex? Does he swallow easily after you feed or reptaboost him?

I am wondering if the clicking could be a stress response also? Frogs and nets can make a light clicking noise when startled, stressed or scared. Her mouth being open? Is it all of the time or only when she is clicking? It could also be a respiratory issue, though I think if it were respiratory, by this point his oxygenation would likely be affected and I don't think he'd still be with us.

He has had 2 doses of reptaboost now? I think let him be tonight in terms of handling. See if maybe he'll try and eat. I like Lynn's idea of putting extras in. Maybe he won't be able to resist. He looks a little stronger now so maybe he'll give it a try. Crossing fingers!

I know it doesn't feel like it but you are doing a great job! It can be frustrating when healing them because it seems like it takes forever and can be tedious. It's the unknowing that gets stressful. Why is it taking so long? Why isn't he eating? When will he start feeling better and acting normal? I think it's because we hope each day we'll see improvement. It gives us piece of mind. The hard part is waiting and wondering. You really are doing a wonderful job! He is still with you and has not declined. I can guarantee without your care he'd have passed by now. Appreciate what you are doing for him . You are a very caring frog mom!

We will help you through this. We are here for you and your frog.

Maybe you could call your vet and ask him what his expectations are? Keep in mind some frogs heal faster than others and some vets do not care for frogs often.

[xXxHeavenxXx]

HE POOPED!! YAY!!!

I happen to be in the same room as him tonight..watching TV..and we saw him wiggling his butt..so out of curiosity I got up and looked and sure enough..I saw him going! He did something very strange with it though. He finished and my immediate thought was okay I have to get that out of there so I can hopefully get it to the vet! I thought he would walk away from it..but instead he sat there and backed his body up over it and kept rubbing up against it. Weird? I thought maybe he had to go more..but nothing came out and I didn't want him sitting on the little poop he finally got out of him!

Its very watery and very small.. so I hope the vet can use it! I am just happy to see something get through him! I really can't believe it! I was worried about him today because he had a green spot on his back I guess from all the stress of force feeding him. I took your advice and left him alone today and held him only to take a picture of the green spot and to move him away from the poop. No force feeding today. Now that he pooped..what should I do? Should I see if he attacks a cricket in the next few days?

I AM SOOO HAPPY! lol!

[flybyferns]

Terrific !
Feed him !
Calcium dusted!

[flybyferns]

Hi Lisa,

I have been following this post. I want to commend you on all your hard work with your pet. The dedication and your time is truely showing your a great herp owner. I AM 100% positive all the advice your taking in with the medications and treatments is keeping your little guy alive. He would most likely have passed already and what your doing is AMAZING! I hope he gets better within the week and back to normal.

Question for LYNN and HEATHER: Once he does get better to almost if not all the way normal. How long would you keep him quarentened before putting him back wiht the other?!?

After at least ------2 clean fecals ? Maybe 3 - Ask the vet.
You're getting there!

[Heatheranne]

Yay! Get that poo tested and offer him some bugs . At least we know his GI system is working.

[xXxHeavenxXx]

just my luck that my vet is not in today or tomorrow =/ I think if he doesnt get back to me by tonight I will just drop it off at their office tomorrow morning to have it sent out anyway. I wanted to make sure he wanted to still see it even though we already did parasite treatment

[Heatheranne]

Not a bad idea.

[xXxHeavenxXx]

Hi again everyone! Well he is certainly pooping now for me since I started the reptaboost. I tried putting him in with the crickets..but he just sat there and shut his eyes while the crickets crawled all over him. I got him out of there..and tried to force feed a cricket. I must have the most temperamental frog..because after I get his mouth open..he uses his tounge to BLOCK the entrance to his mouth so you can't put anything in! *sighs* I was wondering..the end of his tongue is almost like a ball..is that normal? it goes from a small skinny tongue to a big round nub at the end. Almost like the end of the tongue is in a knot or something. Just making sure that's the way its supposed to look.

It's been a few days so I used the reptaboost again tonight. That's nice and easy since its liquid and if it just sticks on his tongue well good enough =P he will bring it in.. Of course he hates this and after we give him a little bit at a time, he drags his tongue on the paper towel or my hand to get it off his tongue! I have never seen anything like it! I kind of just hope he gets some of what I give him. He's pooped at least 3 different times that I saw. Unfortunately, its very watery and theres not much to it. I am hoping he will start to attack the crickets soon. I guess we will have to call the vet again and ask what we should do next. I did not get a response if the fecal was going to be good enough to test when I emailed him so I will ask about that too now that hes going for me.

Any ideas? I am still trying to figure out why while on the baytril he ate for me..and then stopped again. He wasnt pooping when he ate the crickets..Now he wont eat crickets..I feed him reptaboost and he poops..

[shatrar]

Hi Lisa, how is the little guy doing?

[xXxHeavenxXx]

Hi Lisa, how is the little guy doing?

Hi! Actually I am proud of him tonight..he ate his first cricket in MONTHS! =) Extremely excited that I didnt have to fight with him tonight to feed him the reptaboost! He seems like he doing much better actually. I wouldnt say cured yet..but his energy level is way up and he is very alert. I am seeing more out of him lately. Hes been crawling in and out of his water bowl, moving around the tank (not climbing a ton yet..but he did in his feeding tank!) When we touch the tank now..he opens his eyes right up!

We are still trying to figure it out with him. He was doing some weird things when he ate. His tongue does not stay in his mouth and was actually on the bottom of the cage while he was trying to digest that cricket. It seems.. "gooey" I guess? in his mouth. He opened and shut his mouth several times so I kept looking in. Something was also bubbling out of his mouth. Its interesting because it looks like its his shed skin? I was kind of wondering if that is possible to get lodged in his throat? I see it on the side of his mouth on the outside..it goes in and down along the sides of his throat. I was happy to see so far hes kept this cricket down.

We had also decided when we get back to Florida to change some of the things we were using. I always powdered the crickets but I am going to switch brands and use a liquid calcium as well to see if that will change the condition at all.

Otherwise..he's still here and still clicking at me lol