Help! Frog may be impacted

[GrifTheGreat]

Coco fiber can most certainly cause impaction, and its not the first time ive seen or heard of it. In fact, the only source that I have seen that is promoting the idea that it is digestable is the companies that are selling who can say whatever they want because there is no regulatory commision to stop them from making any statement they would like. I have heard of reptiles being found dead with coco fiber in their throat, dying from impaction due to ingesting it and so on. ANY loose substrate that can get in their mouth can cause an impaction no matter what it is.
I think Lovenokias suggestion is spot on, and most authors and experienced herp keepers will suggest that Pacman Frogs are best fed on a smooth bare surface to avoid ingestion of substrate.

Coco fiber may offer a LOWER possibility of impaction by ingestion, but it doesnt outright rule out the possibility by any means.

Reptiles are not Amphibians first off. I do not work for nor do I plan to work for said companies and I have always used Coco fiber. The only time it becomes and issue is if it is prepared incorrectly which happens quite often.

Ra you seem to claim a lot of the info I provide to be false and it almost seems like you do it purposely. Coconut Fiber is completely safe WHEN PREPARED CORRECTLY. You use moss WHICH is most definitely a impaction risk and has always been. When you have to remove a long strand out of your frogs Cloaca maybe then you'll realize that. I have had to do so and you may remove your frogs for feeding, BUT I bet that you don't remove them when they shed and the moss ox stuck to them. You know very well that they eat their shed and anything stuck to their shed becomes ingested.

Now I'm not sure if you do this purposely to try and discredit many of my responses and advice or absentmindedly. Quite frankly its annoying
NOTHING other than food should be ingested, but the safest that is less likely to cause impaction is in fact Coconut Fiber and tong feeding is used to limit any being ingested, but proper preparation of the substrate and removal of any hazardous objects should be removed.

There are several that can back my information if needs be, BUT if there is some kind of misunderstanding once again please feel free to say so.

[Ra]

Reptiles are not Amphibians first off. I do not work for nor do I plan to work for said companies and I have always used Coco fiber. The only time it becomes and issue is if it is prepared incorrectly which happens quite often.

Ra you seem to claim a lot of the info I provide to be false and it almost seems like you do it purposely. Coconut Fiber is completely safe WHEN PREPARED CORRECTLY. You use moss WHICH is most definitely a impaction risk and has always been. When you have to remove a long strand out of your frogs Cloaca maybe then you'll realize that. I have had to do so and you may remove your frogs for feeding, BUT I bet that you don't remove them when they shed and the moss ox stuck to them. You know very well that they eat their shed and anything stuck to their shed becomes ingested.

Now I'm not sure if you do this purposely to try and discredit many of my responses and advice or absentmindedly. Quite frankly its annoying
NOTHING other than food should be ingested, but the safest that is less likely to cause impaction is in fact Coconut Fiber and tong feeding is used to limit any being ingested, but proper preparation of the substrate and removal of any hazardous objects should be removed.

There are several that can back my information if needs be, BUT if there is some kind of misunderstanding once again please feel free to say so.

I meant to say reptiles and amphibians. Most of the claims about the safety of coco fiber originate with the company that makes them. Im not disagreeing with you just to challenge you or shoot you down, I disagree when my opinions differ and thats all.
I will agree and say that coco fiber is the safest option, but it can still be dangerous if ingested in large quantities which is why I would suggest frogs be fed on a flat surface or tong fed.
Generally they shed in their water dish, and I have never seen moss stick to them. I have however seen small strands of moss in their poop, but it seems to pass easily. I would never place live free roaming food into a terrarium for pacman frogs whether it had moss or soil, especially not with a baby pacman frog. Its a moot point for me because I tong feed and I dont actually use moss as Ive switched to foam rubber and water.

As for whether you find me disagreeing with certain things you say annoying, I dont really care. Different people have different opinions and while you have a high number of posts and seem to taken as the pacman frog authority on the website, there are still other opinions and Im not going to stop sharing them because it bothers you.

I dont think there is any misunderstanding at all. The impaction risk is still there if your frogs are ingesting substrate while eating, even if you use coco fiber.

I was NOT suggesting people stop using coco fiber, i was supporting lovenokia's suggestion to feed on a flat surface or feed with tongs.

[GrifTheGreat]

I meant to say reptiles and amphibians. Most of the claims about the safety of coco fiber originate with the company that makes them. Im not disagreeing with you just to challenge you or shoot you down, I disagree when my opinions differ and thats all.
I will agree and say that coco fiber is the safest option, but it can still be dangerous if ingested in large quantities which is why I would suggest frogs be fed on a flat surface or tong fed.
Generally they shed in their water dish, and I have never seen moss stick to them. I have however seen small strands of moss in their poop, but it seems to pass easily. I would never place live free roaming food into a terrarium for pacman frogs whether it had moss or soil, especially not with a baby pacman frog. Its a moot point for me because I tong feed and I dont actually use moss as Ive switched to foam rubber and water.

As for whether you find me disagreeing with certain things you say annoying, I dont really care. Different people have different opinions and while you have a high number of posts and seem to taken as the pacman frog authority on the website, there are still other opinions and Im not going to stop sharing them because it bothers you.

I dont think there is any misunderstanding at all. The impaction risk is still there if your frogs are ingesting substrate while eating, even if you use coco fiber.

I was NOT suggesting people stop using coco fiber, i was supporting lovenokia's suggestion to feed on a flat surface or feed with tongs.

Gotcha! So occasionally we will agree to disagree and no harm done.