Help! Frog may be impacted

[TeeRiddle]

My Pac is *slowly* learning to tong feed, but doesn't always feed from the tongs. When he shys away from the tongs I use some playing cards as "plates".

Basically, I had a brand new box of playing cards that I never used. I take a card out and wash it thoroughly with warm dechlorinated water, dry it off, then set it in front of him at feeding time. I then place a dusted nightcrawler piece on the card and once it wiggles a couple times he snatches it off the card.

I do this for a couple reasons - to prevent the dusted worm from picking up pieces of substrate and to prevent the worm from making a mess in the terrarium.

Once I'm done feeding him I take the card out and wash it thoroughly again (to remove all the yucky, slimy worm gunk) and reuse it the next day or next feeding.

It works pretty good in my situation. If your frog lurches at any little movement in front of it this may not be a great solution because it will probably go after you and the card when you set it in. If you have a more cautious frog like mine it might work well.

The only issue I've ever had doing this is one time Orion lunged forward and stepped on the edge of the card flipping the card over and dumping worm parts on his head. It was like something from The Three Stooges. Quite comical

Maybe you could try something like this to feed your Pac worms without the worry of it accidentally gulping some substrate.

[connor111699]

My Pac is *slowly* learning to tong feed, but doesn't always feed from the tongs. When he shys away from the tongs I use some playing cards as "plates".

Basically, I had a brand new box of playing cards that I never used. I take a card out and wash it thoroughly with warm dechlorinated water, dry it off, then set it in front of him at feeding time. I then place a dusted nightcrawler piece on the card and once it wiggles a couple times he snatches it off the card.

I do this for a couple reasons - to prevent the dusted worm from picking up pieces of substrate and to prevent the worm from making a mess in the terrarium.

Once I'm done feeding him I take the card out and wash it thoroughly again (to remove all the yucky, slimy worm gunk) and reuse it the next day or next feeding.

It works pretty good in my situation. If your frog lurches at any little movement in front of it this may not be a great solution because it will probably go after you and the card when you set it in. If you have a more cautious frog like mine it might work well.

The only issue I've ever had doing this is one time Orion lunged forward and stepped on the edge of the card flipping the card over and dumping worm parts on his head. It was like something from The Three Stooges. Quite comical

Maybe you could try something like this to feed your Pac worms without the worry of it accidentally gulping some substrate.

Thats an awesime idea tthanks for sharing!

[lovenokia]

Tong feeding is best, but you can just drop chunks of worm in front of him when you can feed him after the impaction passes. This way he isn't missing so much.

this frog isn't a problem feeder, just even if I put tongue in front of his mouth he will snatch the tongue. I have to be careful tongue feeding, I found a plastic tongue feeder at petco but still have the metal one which is longer, one but I still didn't get a chance to get a rubber tipped one.

[lovenokia]

My Pac is *slowly* learning to tong feed, but doesn't always feed from the tongs. When he shys away from the tongs I use some playing cards as "plates".

Basically, I had a brand new box of playing cards that I never used. I take a card out and wash it thoroughly with warm dechlorinated water, dry it off, then set it in front of him at feeding time. I then place a dusted nightcrawler piece on the card and once it wiggles a couple times he snatches it off the card.

I do this for a couple reasons - to prevent the dusted worm from picking up pieces of substrate and to prevent the worm from making a mess in the terrarium.

Once I'm done feeding him I take the card out and wash it thoroughly again (to remove all the yucky, slimy worm gunk) and reuse it the next day or next feeding.

It works pretty good in my situation. If your frog lurches at any little movement in front of it this may not be a great solution because it will probably go after you and the card when you set it in. If you have a more cautious frog like mine it might work well.

The only issue I've ever had doing this is one time Orion lunged forward and stepped on the edge of the card flipping the card over and dumping worm parts on his head. It was like something from The Three Stooges. Quite comical

Maybe you could try something like this to feed your Pac worms without the worry of it accidentally gulping some substrate.

Thanks, I will have to try the method you recommend. My frog snatches at any cricket in front of him, though it never even once tried to bite my finger even though it was in front of his mouth more time than not.

[lovenokia]

Just found HUGE PIECE OF POOP!!!!!!
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[GrifTheGreat]

Just found HUGE PIECE OF POOP!!!!!!
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Was it really hard? Is the frog acting fine?

[lovenokia]

Frog is acting just fine, the poop was really really firm, similar to what i felt when it was in the stomach.
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[lovenokia]

Do I still need to soak my frog in repta boost? Can I start feeding my frog again now?

[GrifTheGreat]

Do I still need to soak my frog in repta boost? Can I start feeding my frog again now?

No more soaking in or giving him Repta-Aid(Repta-Boost). Go ahead and offer food. You're going to want to start breaking apart the frogs poop before discarding it to keep an eye on what he may be accidentally ingesting. Usually with Coco Fiber the cause is debris within the soil or a hard fiber in the substrate. There will also be large balls up tangles of the fibers occasionally in substrate that you want to remove. Anything and everything you find when breaking apart an expanded brick or moistening the bagged pre-expanded coco fiber. This will prevent future impaction or constipation risks.

[lovenokia]

No more soaking in or giving him Repta-Aid(Repta-Boost). Go ahead and offer food. You're going to want to start breaking apart the frogs poop before discarding it to keep an eye on what he may be accidentally ingesting. Usually with Coco Fiber the cause is debris within the soil or a hard fiber in the substrate. There will also be large balls up tangles of the fibers occasionally in substrate that you want to remove. Anything and everything you find when breaking apart an expanded brick or moistening the bagged pre-expanded coco fiber. This will prevent future impaction or constipation risks.

should I replace all the eco earth right now and put a new batch of eco earth that was already expanded or should I get some that wasn't pre expanded?
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[GrifTheGreat]

should I replace all the eco earth right now and put a new batch of eco earth that was already expanded or should I get some that wasn't pre expanded?
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Either is fine. I use the compressed bricks and expand them because its easier to just squeeze the moisture out to the level if moisture you want than to add it to the pre-expanded stuff. Its more of a personal preference. I will say that the compressed bricks can be cheaper because sometimes you can find a pack of 3 bricks for $7.99 and the pre-expanded bags are usually $9.99 and have way less substrate in comparison.

[Heatheranne]

I think it's refreshing to see you can agree to disagree .

Just thought I'd mention...since I have started to pat down the coco fiber substrate in front of where I feed my frogs (if they don't feel like tong feeding that night), they seem to take in way less substrate when hunting.

I have also found that a nightly soak after dinner seems to keep them well hydrated and "regular" in terms of passing stool. My girls have done this for so long now that they often just get into their water bowls after dinner. If not, I just gently set them in every night. They shed very easily too and have minimal substrate on them when shedding due to the fresh soaks.

[lovenokia]

Bad News, frog may be constipated again. After my frog recovered, the next day i feed i crickets in the terrarium, I was out of town with my frog, and that was the only thing I could find in the area. Then as I traveled back, My frog went about 1.5 days without food. Once I arrived I purchased night crawlers and began to feed them. Today I noticed my frog was really really puffy and larger than normal, then I held held him/her for a bit than water came all over my hand and the frog became normal again. Right after than I noticed a hump actually one larger and 1 smaller near the but similar to what my frog had before. Is it possible my frog was indigestion problems?
I have a pic, but this pic was before I put my frog in water again and which it immediately became larger again.

[Ra]

I.5 days without food isnt that long at all...
They look puffy after you feed them. I have a frog thats pooped once since this thread started. I keep feeding him, he has access to water and I soak him once a week. Eventually, the frog will poop.
They look puffy when they hold water too, which they do cause they are frogs. If they then become nervous and afriad (from say, handling...) then they will release all the water they are holding. They pee alot. Thats why substrate and water need to be changed frequantly regardless of how much they poop.

Keep feeding the frog and make sure its conditions are right and it has access to water. If you are taking it with you on trips out of town, chances are its a bit stressed out.

[lovenokia]

Thanks, so you think that my frog looks okay and I can continue feeding him/her? I am worried because I have heard of pacmans eating till they die, and I don't want that to happen to mine.

[Pluke]

I'm sure it's ok to feed your frog, I've heard the same thing but my pacmans seem to know their limits. They eat a certain amount of food a night then they are done. Mine are still young so that's why they are fed every night.

[Namio]

Bad News, frog may be constipated again. After my frog recovered, the next day i feed i crickets in the terrarium, I was out of town with my frog, and that was the only thing I could find in the area. Then as I traveled back, My frog went about 1.5 days without food. Once I arrived I purchased night crawlers and began to feed them. Today I noticed my frog was really really puffy and larger than normal, then I held held him/her for a bit than water came all over my hand and the frog became normal again. Right after than I noticed a hump actually one larger and 1 smaller near the but similar to what my frog had before. Is it possible my frog was indigestion problems?
I have a pic, but this pic was before I put my frog in water again and which it immediately became larger again.

I think you're frog is fine. Amphibians, as you know, have semi-permeable skin that makes water loss potentially a lethal problem. So cleverly what they do is that they tend to hold pee in their body, this basically allows them to have more solvents in their body, making osmotic pressure in their favor. Instead of losing water into the environment (when the substrate is drier than frog's body), they draws valuable moisture into their bodies by having a higher concentration of liquid (urine) within their bodies. This is a completely normal phenomenon.
When you pick your frog up it was probably startled so it released all the piss it was holding, lol, but that is totally normal and fine. So afterwards when it was chilling in the waterbowl the frog took the chance to rehydrate again.

When the frog eats something, the food item does not necessarily distribute in their stomach evenly, so it's possible the crickets and/or nightcrawler just happened to be on more of one side of the belly.

To sum up, I think your frog is fine.

[lovenokia]

So can I continue feeding my frog then? Will anything bad happen if I do or not. thanks

[lovenokia]

You can keep feeding him. Now is not the time to worry. Honestly you are worrying too much which I understand when you care for your frog, but your stress can become his stress because animals can sense emotions by the pheromones your body releases. They can pick up on these and become stressed. Be calm, be patient, and be gentle and the frog will not feel threatened. Frequent handling when not necessary will also make the frog become stressed so only do it when necessary. Very VERY few Ceratophrys don't mind being handled so keep that in mind.

If your frog becomes severely bloated and believe me you will know when this happens because the frogs activity will halt and it will become lethargic.

okay, I am a super n00b to pacman frogs and after had a frog dieojg on me once, I don't want this one to die either.

[Namio]

okay, I am a super n00b to pacman frogs and after had a frog dieojg on me once, I don't want this one to die either.

No worries. Keep asking questions because that's why we're here. It's better to be safe than sorry.