Help! Frog may be impacted

[GrifTheGreat]

Coco fiber can most certainly cause impaction, and its not the first time ive seen or heard of it. In fact, the only source that I have seen that is promoting the idea that it is digestable is the companies that are selling who can say whatever they want because there is no regulatory commision to stop them from making any statement they would like. I have heard of reptiles being found dead with coco fiber in their throat, dying from impaction due to ingesting it and so on. ANY loose substrate that can get in their mouth can cause an impaction no matter what it is.
I think Lovenokias suggestion is spot on, and most authors and experienced herp keepers will suggest that Pacman Frogs are best fed on a smooth bare surface to avoid ingestion of substrate.

Coco fiber may offer a LOWER possibility of impaction by ingestion, but it doesnt outright rule out the possibility by any means.

Reptiles are not Amphibians first off. I do not work for nor do I plan to work for said companies and I have always used Coco fiber. The only time it becomes and issue is if it is prepared incorrectly which happens quite often.

Ra you seem to claim a lot of the info I provide to be false and it almost seems like you do it purposely. Coconut Fiber is completely safe WHEN PREPARED CORRECTLY. You use moss WHICH is most definitely a impaction risk and has always been. When you have to remove a long strand out of your frogs Cloaca maybe then you'll realize that. I have had to do so and you may remove your frogs for feeding, BUT I bet that you don't remove them when they shed and the moss ox stuck to them. You know very well that they eat their shed and anything stuck to their shed becomes ingested.

Now I'm not sure if you do this purposely to try and discredit many of my responses and advice or absentmindedly. Quite frankly its annoying
NOTHING other than food should be ingested, but the safest that is less likely to cause impaction is in fact Coconut Fiber and tong feeding is used to limit any being ingested, but proper preparation of the substrate and removal of any hazardous objects should be removed.

There are several that can back my information if needs be, BUT if there is some kind of misunderstanding once again please feel free to say so.

[lovenokia]

Just found HUGE PIECE OF POOP!!!!!!
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[GrifTheGreat]

Just found HUGE PIECE OF POOP!!!!!!
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Was it really hard? Is the frog acting fine?

[lovenokia]

Frog is acting just fine, the poop was really really firm, similar to what i felt when it was in the stomach.
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[lovenokia]

Do I still need to soak my frog in repta boost? Can I start feeding my frog again now?

[GrifTheGreat]

Do I still need to soak my frog in repta boost? Can I start feeding my frog again now?

No more soaking in or giving him Repta-Aid(Repta-Boost). Go ahead and offer food. You're going to want to start breaking apart the frogs poop before discarding it to keep an eye on what he may be accidentally ingesting. Usually with Coco Fiber the cause is debris within the soil or a hard fiber in the substrate. There will also be large balls up tangles of the fibers occasionally in substrate that you want to remove. Anything and everything you find when breaking apart an expanded brick or moistening the bagged pre-expanded coco fiber. This will prevent future impaction or constipation risks.

[GrifTheGreat]

and what about earthworms? are they also dangerous for my green frogs?

Is this a serious question?

If so then no and yes. If the worms contain chemicals from being artificially scented or chemical dyes they will be toxic to your frogs and kill them. If they have no chemicals or dyes then they are perfectly safe and actually a excellent source of nutrition for your frogs.

[lovenokia]

No more soaking in or giving him Repta-Aid(Repta-Boost). Go ahead and offer food. You're going to want to start breaking apart the frogs poop before discarding it to keep an eye on what he may be accidentally ingesting. Usually with Coco Fiber the cause is debris within the soil or a hard fiber in the substrate. There will also be large balls up tangles of the fibers occasionally in substrate that you want to remove. Anything and everything you find when breaking apart an expanded brick or moistening the bagged pre-expanded coco fiber. This will prevent future impaction or constipation risks.

should I replace all the eco earth right now and put a new batch of eco earth that was already expanded or should I get some that wasn't pre expanded?
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[GrifTheGreat]

should I replace all the eco earth right now and put a new batch of eco earth that was already expanded or should I get some that wasn't pre expanded?
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Either is fine. I use the compressed bricks and expand them because its easier to just squeeze the moisture out to the level if moisture you want than to add it to the pre-expanded stuff. Its more of a personal preference. I will say that the compressed bricks can be cheaper because sometimes you can find a pack of 3 bricks for $7.99 and the pre-expanded bags are usually $9.99 and have way less substrate in comparison.

[Ra]

Reptiles are not Amphibians first off. I do not work for nor do I plan to work for said companies and I have always used Coco fiber. The only time it becomes and issue is if it is prepared incorrectly which happens quite often.

Ra you seem to claim a lot of the info I provide to be false and it almost seems like you do it purposely. Coconut Fiber is completely safe WHEN PREPARED CORRECTLY. You use moss WHICH is most definitely a impaction risk and has always been. When you have to remove a long strand out of your frogs Cloaca maybe then you'll realize that. I have had to do so and you may remove your frogs for feeding, BUT I bet that you don't remove them when they shed and the moss ox stuck to them. You know very well that they eat their shed and anything stuck to their shed becomes ingested.

Now I'm not sure if you do this purposely to try and discredit many of my responses and advice or absentmindedly. Quite frankly its annoying
NOTHING other than food should be ingested, but the safest that is less likely to cause impaction is in fact Coconut Fiber and tong feeding is used to limit any being ingested, but proper preparation of the substrate and removal of any hazardous objects should be removed.

There are several that can back my information if needs be, BUT if there is some kind of misunderstanding once again please feel free to say so.

I meant to say reptiles and amphibians. Most of the claims about the safety of coco fiber originate with the company that makes them. Im not disagreeing with you just to challenge you or shoot you down, I disagree when my opinions differ and thats all.
I will agree and say that coco fiber is the safest option, but it can still be dangerous if ingested in large quantities which is why I would suggest frogs be fed on a flat surface or tong fed.
Generally they shed in their water dish, and I have never seen moss stick to them. I have however seen small strands of moss in their poop, but it seems to pass easily. I would never place live free roaming food into a terrarium for pacman frogs whether it had moss or soil, especially not with a baby pacman frog. Its a moot point for me because I tong feed and I dont actually use moss as Ive switched to foam rubber and water.

As for whether you find me disagreeing with certain things you say annoying, I dont really care. Different people have different opinions and while you have a high number of posts and seem to taken as the pacman frog authority on the website, there are still other opinions and Im not going to stop sharing them because it bothers you.

I dont think there is any misunderstanding at all. The impaction risk is still there if your frogs are ingesting substrate while eating, even if you use coco fiber.

I was NOT suggesting people stop using coco fiber, i was supporting lovenokia's suggestion to feed on a flat surface or feed with tongs.

[GrifTheGreat]

I meant to say reptiles and amphibians. Most of the claims about the safety of coco fiber originate with the company that makes them. Im not disagreeing with you just to challenge you or shoot you down, I disagree when my opinions differ and thats all.
I will agree and say that coco fiber is the safest option, but it can still be dangerous if ingested in large quantities which is why I would suggest frogs be fed on a flat surface or tong fed.
Generally they shed in their water dish, and I have never seen moss stick to them. I have however seen small strands of moss in their poop, but it seems to pass easily. I would never place live free roaming food into a terrarium for pacman frogs whether it had moss or soil, especially not with a baby pacman frog. Its a moot point for me because I tong feed and I dont actually use moss as Ive switched to foam rubber and water.

As for whether you find me disagreeing with certain things you say annoying, I dont really care. Different people have different opinions and while you have a high number of posts and seem to taken as the pacman frog authority on the website, there are still other opinions and Im not going to stop sharing them because it bothers you.

I dont think there is any misunderstanding at all. The impaction risk is still there if your frogs are ingesting substrate while eating, even if you use coco fiber.

I was NOT suggesting people stop using coco fiber, i was supporting lovenokia's suggestion to feed on a flat surface or feed with tongs.

Gotcha! So occasionally we will agree to disagree and no harm done.

[Heatheranne]

I think it's refreshing to see you can agree to disagree .

Just thought I'd mention...since I have started to pat down the coco fiber substrate in front of where I feed my frogs (if they don't feel like tong feeding that night), they seem to take in way less substrate when hunting.

I have also found that a nightly soak after dinner seems to keep them well hydrated and "regular" in terms of passing stool. My girls have done this for so long now that they often just get into their water bowls after dinner. If not, I just gently set them in every night. They shed very easily too and have minimal substrate on them when shedding due to the fresh soaks.

[lovenokia]

Bad News, frog may be constipated again. After my frog recovered, the next day i feed i crickets in the terrarium, I was out of town with my frog, and that was the only thing I could find in the area. Then as I traveled back, My frog went about 1.5 days without food. Once I arrived I purchased night crawlers and began to feed them. Today I noticed my frog was really really puffy and larger than normal, then I held held him/her for a bit than water came all over my hand and the frog became normal again. Right after than I noticed a hump actually one larger and 1 smaller near the but similar to what my frog had before. Is it possible my frog was indigestion problems?
I have a pic, but this pic was before I put my frog in water again and which it immediately became larger again.

[Ra]

I.5 days without food isnt that long at all...
They look puffy after you feed them. I have a frog thats pooped once since this thread started. I keep feeding him, he has access to water and I soak him once a week. Eventually, the frog will poop.
They look puffy when they hold water too, which they do cause they are frogs. If they then become nervous and afriad (from say, handling...) then they will release all the water they are holding. They pee alot. Thats why substrate and water need to be changed frequantly regardless of how much they poop.

Keep feeding the frog and make sure its conditions are right and it has access to water. If you are taking it with you on trips out of town, chances are its a bit stressed out.

[Namio]

Bad News, frog may be constipated again. After my frog recovered, the next day i feed i crickets in the terrarium, I was out of town with my frog, and that was the only thing I could find in the area. Then as I traveled back, My frog went about 1.5 days without food. Once I arrived I purchased night crawlers and began to feed them. Today I noticed my frog was really really puffy and larger than normal, then I held held him/her for a bit than water came all over my hand and the frog became normal again. Right after than I noticed a hump actually one larger and 1 smaller near the but similar to what my frog had before. Is it possible my frog was indigestion problems?
I have a pic, but this pic was before I put my frog in water again and which it immediately became larger again.

I think you're frog is fine. Amphibians, as you know, have semi-permeable skin that makes water loss potentially a lethal problem. So cleverly what they do is that they tend to hold pee in their body, this basically allows them to have more solvents in their body, making osmotic pressure in their favor. Instead of losing water into the environment (when the substrate is drier than frog's body), they draws valuable moisture into their bodies by having a higher concentration of liquid (urine) within their bodies. This is a completely normal phenomenon.
When you pick your frog up it was probably startled so it released all the piss it was holding, lol, but that is totally normal and fine. So afterwards when it was chilling in the waterbowl the frog took the chance to rehydrate again.

When the frog eats something, the food item does not necessarily distribute in their stomach evenly, so it's possible the crickets and/or nightcrawler just happened to be on more of one side of the belly.

To sum up, I think your frog is fine.

[lovenokia]

So can I continue feeding my frog then? Will anything bad happen if I do or not. thanks

[lovenokia]

Thanks, so you think that my frog looks okay and I can continue feeding him/her? I am worried because I have heard of pacmans eating till they die, and I don't want that to happen to mine.

[Pluke]

I'm sure it's ok to feed your frog, I've heard the same thing but my pacmans seem to know their limits. They eat a certain amount of food a night then they are done. Mine are still young so that's why they are fed every night.

[GrifTheGreat]

You can keep feeding him. Now is not the time to worry. Honestly you are worrying too much which I understand when you care for your frog, but your stress can become his stress because animals can sense emotions by the pheromones your body releases. They can pick up on these and become stressed. Be calm, be patient, and be gentle and the frog will not feel threatened. Frequent handling when not necessary will also make the frog become stressed so only do it when necessary. Very VERY few Ceratophrys don't mind being handled so keep that in mind.

If your frog becomes severely bloated and believe me you will know when this happens because the frogs activity will halt and it will become lethargic.

[lovenokia]

You can keep feeding him. Now is not the time to worry. Honestly you are worrying too much which I understand when you care for your frog, but your stress can become his stress because animals can sense emotions by the pheromones your body releases. They can pick up on these and become stressed. Be calm, be patient, and be gentle and the frog will not feel threatened. Frequent handling when not necessary will also make the frog become stressed so only do it when necessary. Very VERY few Ceratophrys don't mind being handled so keep that in mind.

If your frog becomes severely bloated and believe me you will know when this happens because the frogs activity will halt and it will become lethargic.

okay, I am a super n00b to pacman frogs and after had a frog dieojg on me once, I don't want this one to die either.