White dumpy info and help please

[Diogo Juliao]

How does keeping the water work? Doesnt it get..gross i gues you could say, do you have a filtration system of some sort?

Only Julia can answer that but I'm guessing she does, or at least she does a lot of water changes. Otherwise the water would get too dirty.

heat pad:
Would it be ok to put on the back of the tank? would the heat still come thru the background? i was thinking of getting one of the cork backgrounds i guess or which one would you reccomend?

Yes you can put it on the back, and as a matter of fact it's the best option for tree frogs, because the heat you get everywhere. Cork backgrounds are cool and you can fix all sort of thing in them

substrate:
Im worried about cocoa husks only because if its swalowed...hearing the horror stories because im a bearded dragon owner. :/ its safe for whites? i hear they sometimes use their "hands" to push food in their mouths. Ya i was planning to get the biger flat river rocks..like 1-2inches..not the small pebble looking ones..just for that reason to avoid impaction. Which plants are great for whites? Im worried ill put the wrong ones in.

I feed my when they are on the top of the tank. That way they don't swallow anything but the food.
You can use big plants which reach the top of the tank with strong leaves that can hold the weight of the frogs.

Hope it helps

[LittleDuudeIsAGirl]

Only Julia can answer that but I'm guessing she does, or at least she does a lot of water changes. Otherwise the water would get too dirty.



Yes you can put it on the back, and as a matter of fact it's the best option for tree frogs, because the heat you get everywhere. Cork backgrounds are cool and you can fix all sort of thing in them



I feed my when they are on the top of the tank. That way they don't swallow anything but the food.
You can use big plants which reach the top of the tank with strong leaves that can hold the weight of the frogs.

Hope it helps

i think ill start with the backing that comes with the tank and then change to cork if i want something different. and great thing for the heat pad ill make sure to put it there also it wont be on just one side and we will be able to see in from all sides too.

so any plants that survive in humid conditions work pretty much?

[Diogo Juliao]

so any plants that survive in humid conditions work pretty much?

I don't know which plants you have available there in the USA, so I can't say all of them are good. Some of them may be poisonous.

But here you have some of the plants I've used with White's with good results:

- Big Bromeliads
- Dracaena marginata (white's love their big trunks)
- Small rubber trees (really strong leaves)
- Aglaonema sp.

And many more, I can't remind the names..

[Julia]

I use a small 5 gallon under water fish filter that runs 24/7. I also do a 40-50 percent water change once a week with a siphon. It takes less then 5 min to clean the water, and it stays crystal clear!

[LittleDuudeIsAGirl]

i dont think im gonna go with having the water in the bottom with a filter but i would really like to put in a self containing waterfall unit..if you get what i mean that way there is a water dish but also a constant flow of water with the waterfall to keep humidity up...but the water would fall into the bottom section of the water fall and get sucked back up to the top to flow down the waterfall...if that makes sense..i think it does..kind of like a little water fountain to get for a house or soemthing but a realistic one for a frog tank.


and ill look into the plants thankyou so much for the suggestions.

[IgbyKibbits]

Here's what we have for our two frog setup:

For the terrarium, we have an extra-large tank like this. It's really nice to have it open from the front and the top.

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products...rainforest.php

We separated the bottom (sealing in a glass piece with non-toxic aquarium sealant) to make a water side. They love it! We have a version of this filter/waterfall system:

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/turtle_cliff.php

We just put rocks down on the bottom (so that they don't drawn), and floating plants, etc.

But you can buy a "self-contained" waterfall like this: http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/waterfall.php

For that last one, you still might want to get a static water holder, just so that he has a little more room to relax. As far as substrate, we use T-Rex Jungle Bed. It's nice and soft for them, and small enough that if they get messy eating (which they inevitably do), there is no fear of impaction.

We use the same light setup as Julia. Anyways, I hope that helps!!! What a great present to get for an anniversary. I think I'm going to "casually" leave your post up in my browser for my fiance to read and see if it gives him some ideas for our next anniversary ; ) HAHA!

[LittleDuudeIsAGirl]

Here's what we have for our two frog setup:

For the terrarium, we have an extra-large tank like this. It's really nice to have it open from the front and the top.

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products...rainforest.php

We separated the bottom (sealing in a glass piece with non-toxic aquarium sealant) to make a water side. They love it! We have a version of this filter/waterfall system:

http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/turtle_cliff.php

We just put rocks down on the bottom (so that they don't drawn), and floating plants, etc.

But you can buy a "self-contained" waterfall like this: http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/waterfall.php

For that last one, you still might want to get a static water holder, just so that he has a little more room to relax. As far as substrate, we use T-Rex Jungle Bed. It's nice and soft for them, and small enough that if they get messy eating (which they inevitably do), there is no fear of impaction.

We use the same light setup as Julia. Anyways, I hope that helps!!! What a great present to get for an anniversary. I think I'm going to "casually" leave your post up in my browser for my fiance to read and see if it gives him some ideas for our next anniversary ; ) HAHA!

yes the self contained ones i was looking at them in the store today..and thought that is such a small spot down in the bottom, but i want to find a way to enlarge that spot..like find a shallow larger thing to attach to the bottom so they have a place to lounge.

and im planning to do..a layer of hydroballs, mesh screen, then eco earth, then live moss with some large river rocks. (:

hahahaha thats hilarious!!! do it do it!

[Deku]

i dont think im gonna go with having the water in the bottom with a filter but i would really like to put in a self containing waterfall unit..if you get what i mean that way there is a water dish but also a constant flow of water with the waterfall to keep humidity up...but the water would fall into the bottom section of the water fall and get sucked back up to the top to flow down the waterfall...if that makes sense..i think it does..kind of like a little water fountain to get for a house or soemthing but a realistic one for a frog tank.


and ill look into the plants thankyou so much for the suggestions.

Hmm well here is some information that was passed onto me by a friend from a forum called arachnoboards. Waterfalls tend to splash water onto the whole enclosure. So half of the water will end up in the dirt. Which means you will end up having a soggy bedding. I mean you want the tank to be moist but not dranched. Which is what will happen with a "self containing waterfall". Assumming your talking about pre-designed ones like zoo meds and such. Its falling water which splosches down onto the place where the water goes back up. Again some water may and probably will end up in the soil. I actually did a waterfall once. Where I had sealed off a section for the land area. But the water kept splashing into the soil. then going back onto the basin when it was drenched. Just passing on what i think and was warned about.

[IgbyKibbits]

We've definitely had some "splashing" issues with our water side of the tank, but we've found ways to avoid it. One way we've used is to position moss along the sides. It's great at soaking up the "splashes" and helps to prevent a lot of water seeping down into the soil. Our soil remains fairly dry, and we just change out the moss every couple of days depending on how wet it is.

[LittleDuudeIsAGirl]

Hmm well here is some information that was passed onto me by a friend from a forum called arachnoboards. Waterfalls tend to splash water onto the whole enclosure. So half of the water will end up in the dirt. Which means you will end up having a soggy bedding. I mean you want the tank to be moist but not dranched. Which is what will happen with a "self containing waterfall". Assumming your talking about pre-designed ones like zoo meds and such. Its falling water which splosches down onto the place where the water goes back up. Again some water may and probably will end up in the soil. I actually did a waterfall once. Where I had sealed off a section for the land area. But the water kept splashing into the soil. then going back onto the basin when it was drenched. Just passing on what i think and was warned about.

thankyou for your opinion and your story..i can see how it would be a problem.


i have a question..what is a static water holder? igbykibbets mentioned i should get one to extend the room the frog(s) would have for lounging..and where would i find one?