Fearing that I too, got scammed. (Dwarf African Bullfrogs/Pyxies sold as Giants)

[Deku]

It is to bad your post/defense was censored unless it was way over the top. I don't know if it was or not I didn't see it. I will say I have had good dealings with ben in the past and doubtless will again should he get in something that interests me. As far as the whole misidentification issue that is why sellers provide pic's. Unless a seller is intentionally misrepresenting what he has for sale a good portion of the responsibility rests with the buyer to know what he is getting. I have seen all sorts of things mislabeled over the years. It happens. Importers and dealer don't always know what they have.

He got a bad rep for rudeness. I saw his post. I even replied to it. What I remembered was, that he kept going on about how this site was a bad site, and guilt tripping the mods. To no avail the mods gave the ban hammer to the post! I think it was something about him getting mad about the mods talking bad about him. But I dont remember even seeing the mods talk about bout ben. Unless hes from big apple herps. If he is, well DURP. He put the picture of a friggin' african GIANT bullfrog, and the whole identification of it. I mean had he atleast put the actual pictures of the frog. Like the actual pictures of the whole group and several individual frogs. Then maybe it wouldnt have had happened. Hed gotten an email saying "thats a dwarf" hed change it to dwarf. Then nobody would have complained. But reading the post of jeff kennedy, he got ripped off I THINK 125-130bucks from BIG APPLE HERPS. Because of the whole thing I just said. Iam assuming ben siegel is from big apple herps. I looked at their website, and some animals are abit "off".

Overall reason his post was probably deleted:
-Rudenesss
-Dissing this site directly
-Dissing the mods directly
His whole thread sounded like a hate thread. The rest I dont really know. But hes posted on two threads angry. That should speak for itself bro.

[Paul Rust]

I can tell you that the leadership here does not ban, move, delete, or take any other action lightly. In fact I commonly get shot down about things that I think should be moderated. If anything I would say that the post was removed to protect the poster from making an *** out of himself. Sometimes things happen for you and not always to you.

[SethD]

He got a bad rep for rudeness. I saw his post. I even replied to it. What I remembered was, that he kept going on about how this site was a bad site, and guilt tripping the mods. To no avail the mods gave the ban hammer to the post! I think it was something about him getting mad about the mods talking bad about him. But I dont remember even seeing the mods talk about bout ben. Unless hes from big apple herps. If he is, well DURP. He put the picture of a friggin' african GIANT bullfrog, and the whole identification of it. I mean had he atleast put the actual pictures of the frog. Like the actual pictures of the whole group and several individual frogs. Then maybe it wouldnt have had happened. Hed gotten an email saying "thats a dwarf" hed change it to dwarf. Then nobody would have complained. But reading the post of jeff kennedy, he got ripped off I THINK 125-130bucks from BIG APPLE HERPS. Because of the whole thing I just said. Iam assuming ben siegel is from big apple herps. I looked at their website, and some animals are abit "off".

Overall reason his post was probably deleted:
-Rudenesss
-Dissing this site directly
-Dissing the mods directly
His whole thread sounded like a hate thread. The rest I dont really know. But hes posted on two threads angry. That should speak for itself bro.

He isn't connected to big apple as far as I know. He has his own business if you care to search the web for "ben siegel reptiles" you will find it. His kingsnake adds were some of the first to show up with these tanzanian imports and as far as I can tell the photos are of some of the actual frogs that came in, not like the stock photo of a juvenile south african giant on big apples site. They have used that same stock photo for years. Now these tanzanian pixies are not the same as the south african ones that have been known as "giants" in the past, but I have no reason to doubt that in the import paperwork they were listed as giants. Selling them simply as tanzanian pixies is probably the easiest way to avoid confusion from now on though.

[Deku]

He isn't connected to big apple as far as I know. He has his own business if you care to search the web for "ben siegel reptiles" you will find it. His kingsnake adds were some of the first to show up with these tanzanian imports and as far as I can tell the photos are of some of the actual frogs that came in, not like the stock photo of a juvenile south african giant on big apples site. They have used that same stock photo for years. Now these tanzanian pixies are not the same as the south african ones that have been known as "giants" in the past, but I have no reason to doubt that in the import paperwork they were listed as giants. Selling them simply as tanzanian pixies is probably the easiest way to avoid confusion from now on though.

Hmm okay, well he confused me by posting on the big apple herps thread. So sorry I guess. But he should have been more tactfull I guess.

[Deku]

Also I forgot to add.
He shouldnt had insulted this website, or the moderators.
1)The moderators of this site work VERY VERY hard, for nothing(payment wise). So no one should EVER disrespect a moderator. Especially since all of them are nice, curteous and very understanding.
2)You don't go insulting a website without proof to back it up or an actually good reason.
3)These people work hard and strive to make these forums safe, enjoyable, family friendly and much more. Again nobody goes around thanking them or anything which I myself havent, but now I kinda do. But at the same time no one should go insulting them for any given reason. It doesnt matter what happened TO you. But these people give 1/4-2/4ths of their time, just to provide a safe, fun, and enjoyable environment. I personally am grateful to them for that. Ived been to many other forums, most of which people are rude, stuck up, obnoxious, and the general atmosphere is well just "bad". This is one of the very few actual animal websites where one such as myself can peacefully find information, learn, grow, and etc.

Its why I will defend up for the moderators and why I will stand up to anyone calling them out. Again its not to be rude, but you know THEY DO give us THEIR time. We don't even pay them, thank them or anything. SO we should be grateful to them. Though not saying anyone in here doesnt thank them(I may have misworded it xD). But Iam saying, that the people of this forum should stand up to anyone who tries to challenge a mod. Also he was getting irritated without reason on his first post.

[John]

Ben posted because he saw I called him on selling the wrong frog as "True giant" african bullfrogs - my exact words were "false advertising". He posted a vet certificate which constitutes plausible denial so I removed his name from the false advertising thread. I labeled his new thread as "Ben Siegel Rant" and moved it out of public view for his benefit mostly. Unfortunately I accidentally left a pointer to the post so "Ben Siegel Rant" was viewable in public - my bad. Unfortunately he won't let it go now, playing righteous with me for "accusing" him of false advertising. There was no accusation - it was a fact he was selling the wrong animal under an incorrect name, which is false advertising. To put it in simple terms, if you were doing 80 in a 70 and the cop pulled you over to give you a ticket, whether or not you knew you were speeding does not negate the fact that you were speeding.

Now I was quite content to let this be but since you all started talking about it again, I thought I should at least make the facts clear.

[Meatball]

So...

Where can you buy a real Giant African Bullfrog? Seems like everyone either doesn't have them or they don't have the real ones.

[jaguilar15]

So i have an issue, and i ordered a P. adspersus, but it does not look like a P. adspersus, looks more like an P. edulis! So please help me determine what type of pixie my frog is. Thank you! You know what, i almost bought that edulis thinking it was a adspersusThe links below are images of my frog. Can you check them out please. Thank you!

http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y70...t=DSCF0991.jpg
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y70...t=DSCF0992.jpg
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y70...t=DSCF0993.jpg
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y70...t=DSCF0994.jpg
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y70...t=DSCF0995.jpg
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y70...t=DSCF0998.jpg

I almost bought the "giant pixie frog" at bigapple for $129. I thought it seemed wrong, but i'm glad to know that bigapple, i shouldn't trust. Generalexotics is very honest.. I told them i thought it was an edulis, and they gave me a full refund. It's funny ebcause i have got a P. edulis twice in a row. So the importer is obviously selling the company wrong products claiming it's something else. Also, I should think the american companies should know what they are doing before releasing the wrong product.

[jaguilar15]

One more thing, just like meatball, I was wondering if anyone knows where i can go to a legitimate website where i can get an P. adspersus male. I may know of a great one, Sweetarrowreptiles.com, they do not have any in stock right now, but I'm guessing next month they do, and he has a different importer and it's not overseas. Also, before purchasing your item, you have to e-mail the person, which forces you ask questions about the situation. It might be a little bit more expensive depending on where you are located due to the shipping process.