Fearing that I too, got scammed. (Dwarf African Bullfrogs/Pyxies sold as Giants)

[Jeff Kennedy]

So my only recourse is to really just openly bash them I guess? I wonder if I could open a dispute with my credit card company??

[John]

So my only recourse is to really just openly bash them I guess?

Well there is no harm in posting testimonials - we have a section for that on the forum.

I wonder if I could open a dispute with my credit card company??

I would talk to Big Apple Herp first. If they don't give you satisfaction, then why not talk to the credit card company - what have you got to lose? Mind you, I'd love to be a fly on the wall when the credit card claims person tries to talk to his/her boss about that one.

[Deku]

So my only recourse is to really just openly bash them I guess? I wonder if I could open a dispute with my credit card company??

Hmm well I THINK you should talk to the company first (bigapple herps). At first if they are unwilling to make a trade back. Tell them it is against the law to FALSE ADVERTISE. Tell them if they dont return your money back that you WILL SUE their *****. Keep pressing them. Keep calling them, ask for the head person. If they ask "what proof you got?" , you tell them you know alot of people who got scammed by them, and that they will be witnesses. That they even got receipts too. Then just talk to your credit card company.

[ben siegel]

Well-I guess I will post my reply on here as for some reason the administrator has actually blocked me from even viewing my original posting in addition to changing the wording in my owns posts title. That is fair how?. I actually get on here to explain this situation and this guy blocks me from viewing my own post or any replies to it. So much for a fair an unbiased public forum!--Take care all. As always--if anyone has any issues with any animal they have purchased from me, give me a call.

So funny too---LLL gets on here and defends themselves and admin offers to sell them banner ad space and says what good guys they are(which I agree with--I like scott and loren).

I get on here and defend myself--even back up my claims with paperwork, and I am banned from my own post and given negative rep?---Nice

[Deku]

Well-I guess I will post my reply on here as for some reason the administrator has actually blocked me from even viewing my original posting in addition to changing the wording in my owns posts title. That is fair how?. I actually get on here to explain this situation and this guy blocks me from viewing my own post or any replies to it. So much for a fair an unbiased public forum!--Take care all. As always--if anyone has any issues with any animal they have purchased from me, give me a call.

So funny too---LLL gets on here and defends themselves and admin offers to sell them banner ad space and says what good guys they are(which I agree with--I like scott and loren).

I get on here and defend myself--even back up my claims with paperwork, and I am banned from my own post and given negative rep?---Nice

Hmm. I gave you the bad "rep". Because not to be rude, and anyone excuse me for my language. But you came off as a rude p****. No offense again. Just stating an opinion. If you want your opinions listened to. Don't be rude about it, and over all dont get frustrated. This is the internet, its not like we are knocking at your door, saying "BEN! BEN! YOUR REPTILES ARE NO GOOD! BEN!". I am assuming you are the guy from big apple herps? That is why you posted here? If you are well the reason the admined may have insulted your site. Because again this is IF you're from big apple herps:
-You sold a wrong species to many people.

I strongly doubt you seriously cant tell the difference between species. I mean no offense, but you are a reptile dealer for sakes! You SHOULD be able to know what frog is what, and their scientific name. Otherwise you wouldnt be selling them. Especially under another name. But the people in this thread are angry at big apple herps because its not just been ONE person that got ripped off. Its been 4-5 one this forum, and Iam sure there are more people that got ripped off. I mean the site put the frog up for like 130bucks. Thats a rip off to begin with. I wouldnt even buy a frog from an online dealer for a 130bucks. Ived seen those frogs by the dozen being sold anywhere else for like 30-40bucks at most. Even this really bad petstore knew the difference between the subspecies. Its not even hard to tell. I mean its not like they are going to be the same size, and color. Most frogs are the same color, and when they're not they either a completely different subspecies or a morph of that species. So again not to be rude. But anyone going online selling animals should DEFENITELY know and be a 100% correct what animal it is. Also, reputable breeders/sellers tend to bring their animals to a herp savvy vet. It only costs one per group. So youd pay only for one animal and the whole group gets a visit. Then you can raise the price a bit and make a profit. But had you even taken it to a vet, the vet could even clarify that it is indeed not a giant. Alot of people try to pass off the african dwarves as african giants. Rule of thumb, put the scientific name in there. Or atleast take the picture of the actual animal and dont write any information if you dont know. You could have put "african bullfrog" along with the picture and sold it for a cheaper price. Rather than a 130 or so. Just saying. I appologize if you don't feel welcomed here. But I took the inittiative to be blunt and honest. Because I dont want you to go and be all like "oh these people dont know squat, these people are all talk and no walk".
Kay, luck with your business, bye.

[SethD]

Well-I guess I will post my reply on here as for some reason the administrator has actually blocked me from even viewing my original posting in addition to changing the wording in my owns posts title. That is fair how?. I actually get on here to explain this situation and this guy blocks me from viewing my own post or any replies to it. So much for a fair an unbiased public forum!--Take care all. As always--if anyone has any issues with any animal they have purchased from me, give me a call.

So funny too---LLL gets on here and defends themselves and admin offers to sell them banner ad space and says what good guys they are(which I agree with--I like scott and loren).

I get on here and defend myself--even back up my claims with paperwork, and I am banned from my own post and given negative rep?---Nice

It is to bad your post/defense was censored unless it was way over the top. I don't know if it was or not I didn't see it. I will say I have had good dealings with ben in the past and doubtless will again should he get in something that interests me. As far as the whole misidentification issue that is why sellers provide pic's. Unless a seller is intentionally misrepresenting what he has for sale a good portion of the responsibility rests with the buyer to know what he is getting. I have seen all sorts of things mislabeled over the years. It happens. Importers and dealer don't always know what they have.

[Deku]

It is to bad your post/defense was censored unless it was way over the top. I don't know if it was or not I didn't see it. I will say I have had good dealings with ben in the past and doubtless will again should he get in something that interests me. As far as the whole misidentification issue that is why sellers provide pic's. Unless a seller is intentionally misrepresenting what he has for sale a good portion of the responsibility rests with the buyer to know what he is getting. I have seen all sorts of things mislabeled over the years. It happens. Importers and dealer don't always know what they have.

He got a bad rep for rudeness. I saw his post. I even replied to it. What I remembered was, that he kept going on about how this site was a bad site, and guilt tripping the mods. To no avail the mods gave the ban hammer to the post! I think it was something about him getting mad about the mods talking bad about him. But I dont remember even seeing the mods talk about bout ben. Unless hes from big apple herps. If he is, well DURP. He put the picture of a friggin' african GIANT bullfrog, and the whole identification of it. I mean had he atleast put the actual pictures of the frog. Like the actual pictures of the whole group and several individual frogs. Then maybe it wouldnt have had happened. Hed gotten an email saying "thats a dwarf" hed change it to dwarf. Then nobody would have complained. But reading the post of jeff kennedy, he got ripped off I THINK 125-130bucks from BIG APPLE HERPS. Because of the whole thing I just said. Iam assuming ben siegel is from big apple herps. I looked at their website, and some animals are abit "off".

Overall reason his post was probably deleted:
-Rudenesss
-Dissing this site directly
-Dissing the mods directly
His whole thread sounded like a hate thread. The rest I dont really know. But hes posted on two threads angry. That should speak for itself bro.

[Paul Rust]

I can tell you that the leadership here does not ban, move, delete, or take any other action lightly. In fact I commonly get shot down about things that I think should be moderated. If anything I would say that the post was removed to protect the poster from making an *** out of himself. Sometimes things happen for you and not always to you.

[SethD]

He got a bad rep for rudeness. I saw his post. I even replied to it. What I remembered was, that he kept going on about how this site was a bad site, and guilt tripping the mods. To no avail the mods gave the ban hammer to the post! I think it was something about him getting mad about the mods talking bad about him. But I dont remember even seeing the mods talk about bout ben. Unless hes from big apple herps. If he is, well DURP. He put the picture of a friggin' african GIANT bullfrog, and the whole identification of it. I mean had he atleast put the actual pictures of the frog. Like the actual pictures of the whole group and several individual frogs. Then maybe it wouldnt have had happened. Hed gotten an email saying "thats a dwarf" hed change it to dwarf. Then nobody would have complained. But reading the post of jeff kennedy, he got ripped off I THINK 125-130bucks from BIG APPLE HERPS. Because of the whole thing I just said. Iam assuming ben siegel is from big apple herps. I looked at their website, and some animals are abit "off".

Overall reason his post was probably deleted:
-Rudenesss
-Dissing this site directly
-Dissing the mods directly
His whole thread sounded like a hate thread. The rest I dont really know. But hes posted on two threads angry. That should speak for itself bro.

He isn't connected to big apple as far as I know. He has his own business if you care to search the web for "ben siegel reptiles" you will find it. His kingsnake adds were some of the first to show up with these tanzanian imports and as far as I can tell the photos are of some of the actual frogs that came in, not like the stock photo of a juvenile south african giant on big apples site. They have used that same stock photo for years. Now these tanzanian pixies are not the same as the south african ones that have been known as "giants" in the past, but I have no reason to doubt that in the import paperwork they were listed as giants. Selling them simply as tanzanian pixies is probably the easiest way to avoid confusion from now on though.

[Deku]

He isn't connected to big apple as far as I know. He has his own business if you care to search the web for "ben siegel reptiles" you will find it. His kingsnake adds were some of the first to show up with these tanzanian imports and as far as I can tell the photos are of some of the actual frogs that came in, not like the stock photo of a juvenile south african giant on big apples site. They have used that same stock photo for years. Now these tanzanian pixies are not the same as the south african ones that have been known as "giants" in the past, but I have no reason to doubt that in the import paperwork they were listed as giants. Selling them simply as tanzanian pixies is probably the easiest way to avoid confusion from now on though.

Hmm okay, well he confused me by posting on the big apple herps thread. So sorry I guess. But he should have been more tactfull I guess.