Tank humidity help

[josh]

Couple of things.

1. The top of the tank needs to be vented (roughly 80% vented) for tree frogs.
2. Looks to me like your hydrometer is reading incorrectly. At 99% you would have condensation on everything including the glass.
3. What kind of wood is that? If it is a piece of Grapevine than it will need to be removed sooner rather than later. It will mold quickly (a black/grey mold that is very dangerous).
4. Your substrate will not sustain plants long term. Should consider replacing it with something similar to ABG Mix (or ABG mix itself)
5. The Vivarium really should be taller for tree frogs. They want to climb and really do best in enclosures that are a minimum of 24" tall. I am not saying they won't survive in there, but they would appreciate more room
6. Mixing species is frowned upon. I am not going to lecture you, but be careful. You could end up loosing some or all of your frogs.
7. The lighting can also dry the air out quickly depending on what you use. You didn't mention that but if you want to know more please post the types of bulbs you are using.

Sorry to be full of criticisms. A few tweaks and you will have a great stable home for your frogs .

Paul

Dear Paul,
I really appreciate all the feedback form you. I would like to adress each issue I am presented with.
1. I got the idea of the glass top from my reptile shop. They also keep their tree frogs in cages like mine with a glass top and screen back. They said that this is ok as long as you have an ecosystem in their. For example they said that the plants will produce oxygen for the tree frogs and take in the carbon dioxide.

2. In the morning there is condensation on the glass. But that goes away after a while. There is still a pocibility of water inside the hydromometer. Or it may be broken.

3. I believe that the wood is more of a driftwood but I will check And remove if necessary.

4. My substrate is gardening/potting soil. Then there is an inch of coco fiber. The roots are in the soil. If that doesn't support plants I don't know what will ��

5.They have about 20 inches of climbing space. Not much I can do about that. Mine like to. Stay on the leafs most of the time. I wish they had a few more inches but this is a 1500$ tank. Not changing.

6. I know that mixing species may not be the best idea but I have had these guys for over 5 years. All have been reported healthy. But know of anything were to go downhill I would change them to separate cages.

7. This cage has a Big long led light that goes all across the length of the cage. The cage is also close to a window. My plants have thrived In my previous cage so I'm not to worried about that.

I appreciate everything that you said and am not disagreeing with anything you said. I'm just saying where I come from. Thanks����

[irThumper]

Dear Paul,
I really appreciate all the feedback form you. I would like to adress each issue I am presented with.
1. I got the idea of the glass top from my reptile shop. They also keep their tree frogs in cages like mine with a glass top and screen back. They said that this is ok as long as you have an ecosystem in their. For example they said that the plants will produce oxygen for the tree frogs and take in the carbon dioxide.

2. In the morning there is condensation on the glass. But that goes away after a while. There is still a pocibility of water inside the hydromometer. Or it may be broken.

3. I believe that the wood is more of a driftwood but I will check And remove if necessary.

>>>>4. My substrate is gardening/potting soil.<<<< Then there is an inch of coco fiber. The roots are in the soil. If that doesn't support plants I don't know what will ��

5.They have about 20 inches of climbing space. Not much I can do about that. Mine like to. Stay on the leafs most of the time. I wish they had a few more inches but this is a 1500$ tank. Not changing.

>>>>6. I know that mixing species may not be the best idea but I have had these guys for over 5 years. All have been reported healthy. But know of anything were to go downhill I would change them to separate cages.<<<<

7. This cage has a Big long led light that goes all across the length of the cage. The cage is also close to a window. My plants have thrived In my previous cage so I'm not to worried about that.

I appreciate everything that you said and am not disagreeing with anything you said. I'm just saying where I come from. Thanks����

--Is that potting/garden soil organic/free of chemical fertilizers?

--You said you had leopard frogs in with tree frogs, what kind of tree frogs? Leopard frogs and tree frogs have totally different needs.

[josh]

Yes it is. I made sure i got organic Nothing added. I have seen the requirements for both types. I have whites tree frogs and green tree frogs. They have plenty of trees and humidity. I rescued the leopard frogs from a soccer feild staircase that was being cemented under and they have all the water and hiding paces they could want. Any recomendations though?

[josh]

--Is that potting/garden soil organic/free of chemical fertilizers?

--You said you had leopard frogs in with tree frogs, what kind of tree frogs? Leopard frogs and tree frogs have totally different needs.

Yes it is. I made sure i got organic Nothing added. I have seen the requirements for both types. I have whites tree frogs and green tree frogs. They have plenty of trees and humidity. I rescued the leopard frogs from a soccer feild staircase that was being cemented under and they have all the water and hiding paces they could want. Any recomendations though?

[irThumper]

Yes it is. I made sure i got organic Nothing added. I have seen the requirements for both types. I have whites tree frogs and green tree frogs. They have plenty of trees and humidity. I rescued the leopard frogs from a soccer feild staircase that was being cemented under and they have all the water and hiding paces they could want. Any recomendations though?

Wild caught leopard frogs.....? You've had them how long now? Ever had them fecal tested? You are putting your tree frogs at HIGH risk by housing them together with wild caught frogs, either for intestinal parasites or possibly even chytrid, which is becoming more rampant in wild frog populations.

Aside from that, if your WTFs are considerably larger than your AGTFs you are looking at a risk of the White's trying to eat your little guys.

[josh]

Wild caught leopard frogs.....? You've had them how long now? Ever had them fecal tested? You are putting your tree frogs at HIGH risk by housing them together with wild caught frogs, either for intestinal parasites or possibly even chytrid, which is becoming more rampant in wild frog populations.

Aside from that, if your WTFs are considerably larger than your AGTFs you are looking at a risk of the White's trying to eat your little guys.

I see what you are saying. I am willing to get rid of the lepoard frogs. But let me ask you one thing. I have had them together since last summer and all my frogs seem to be healthy, (eating often, pooping often, always croaking) Is their still a chance of them getting sick? wouldn't i have seen some sign of something by now? With the whites and greens, they are about the same size. Except that the whites are fatter! They are very docile and sometimes have trouble getting crickets because of their size!! Iv had them together for a while and they are always hanging out together. I keep them well fed. Do you see any issues that still may occur? Im not disagreeing with you on any point and totaly respect your opinion, im just letting you know my side! What do you think of the humidity though? i have an ''exhost fan'' on now and im at 86%. All seem happy, what do you think?

[irThumper]

I see what you are saying. I am willing to get rid of the lepoard frogs. But let me ask you one thing. I have had them together since last summer and all my frogs seem to be healthy, (eating often, pooping often, always croaking) Is their still a chance of them getting sick? wouldn't i have seen some sign of something by now? With the whites and greens, they are about the same size. Except that the whites are fatter! They are very docile and sometimes have trouble getting crickets because of their size!! Iv had them together for a while and they are always hanging out together. I keep them well fed. Do you see any issues that still may occur? Im not disagreeing with you on any point and totaly respect your opinion, im just letting you know my side! What do you think of the humidity though? i have an ''exhost fan'' on now and im at 86%. All seem happy, what do you think?

You've had the leopard frogs in with them since last summer 2014? And you've had the tree frogs together 5 years? If the WTFs and AGTFs have been together that long then I don't see any reason to separate those at this point, but there are diseases which have been known to take months to complete a life cycle and then just "show up out of the blue" (still researching parasitology) and wipe out an entire collection...

I believe a similar scenario was posted on FF from a WTF keeper with that exact same scenario. He had introduced a new, apparantly healthy female to his long time collection, and months later he lost his entire collection of WTFs he'd had for years

Can't say with the humidity other than you either need more ventilation or a different gauge, but if the fan is working then maybe you've solved that problem?

[josh]

You've had the leopard frogs in with them since last summer 2014? And you've had the tree frogs together 5 years? If the WTFs and AGTFs have been together that long then I don't see any reason to separate those at this point, but there are diseases which have been known to take months to complete a life cycle and then just "show up out of the blue" (still researching parasitology) and wipe out an entire collection...

I believe a similar scenario was posted on FF from a WTF keeper with that exact same scenario. He had introduced a new, apparantly healthy female to his long time collection, and months later he lost his entire collection of WTFs he'd had for years

I see what you are saying and am always closley watching them. I recently reveiwed the care sheets of all my frogs and my cage meets and excells their individual needs. Any other advice that you think would help me about the humidity, or other frog questions?

[irThumper]

Can't say with the humidity other than you either need more ventilation or a different gauge, but if the fan is working then maybe you've solved that problem?

I'd edited my above post to include this ^^

[irThumper]

Yes it is. I made sure i got organic Nothing added. I have seen the requirements for both types. I have whites tree frogs and green tree frogs. They have plenty of trees and humidity. I rescued the leopard frogs from a soccer feild staircase that was being cemented under and they have all the water and hiding paces they could want. Any recomendations though?

In amphibiandom safe is always much much better than sorry!

[DigitalPunk]

Dear Paul,
I really appreciate all the feedback form you. I would like to adress each issue I am presented with.
1. I got the idea of the glass top from my reptile shop. They also keep their tree frogs in cages like mine with a glass top and screen back. They said that this is ok as long as you have an ecosystem in their. For example they said that the plants will produce oxygen for the tree frogs and take in the carbon dioxide.

2. In the morning there is condensation on the glass. But that goes away after a while. There is still a pocibility of water inside the hydromometer. Or it may be broken.

3. I believe that the wood is more of a driftwood but I will check And remove if necessary.

4. My substrate is gardening/potting soil. Then there is an inch of coco fiber. The roots are in the soil. If that doesn't support plants I don't know what will ��

5.They have about 20 inches of climbing space. Not much I can do about that. Mine like to. Stay on the leafs most of the time. I wish they had a few more inches but this is a 1500$ tank. Not changing.

6. I know that mixing species may not be the best idea but I have had these guys for over 5 years. All have been reported healthy. But know of anything were to go downhill I would change them to separate cages.

7. This cage has a Big long led light that goes all across the length of the cage. The cage is also close to a window. My plants have thrived In my previous cage so I'm not to worried about that.

I appreciate everything that you said and am not disagreeing with anything you said. I'm just saying where I come from. Thanks����

Excellent.

Only thing I disagree with from your answers is the advice from the reptile store. Very rarely do pet stores keep their pets in proper conditions unfortunately. Though if they have been in the tank like that for 5 years it doesn't seem to be hurting them any.

If you remove your Hydrometer probe and let it dry out it might return to normal operation.

Do you have leaf liter? Adding a thing layer will help with humidity some.

Hope that wood isn't grapevine. It looks great in the tank.

[Lija]

I opened a thread a few times, didnt respond.... Now I opened again.... Usually I yell a lot... Im mean lol especially when we talk about what you did here, mixing species, mixing WC and CB.. But im not in yelling mode today...

The thing is im pretty sure you won't want to do anything that would involve moving, changing things drastically. And I kinda understand, you spend a lot of $ on it and it looks good....

A few things I'll just say before im out of here.
-too high humidity, not enough ventilation = respiratory problems
-wc+cb even after long term qt is a bad bad idea, without qt it's a nightmare = parasites, possibly rana, chytrid, much more, all WC frogs have a very heavy load of parasites, so your whites have bunch of those by now too.
-the wood does look like grapevine...
- im yet to see a pet store where people are actually know what they are doing
- with my limited experience with planted vivariums... I was told that using just soil is bad on a long run, you need ABG mix type soil, bill or paul can tell you more about it.

realistically there is a way of fixing things here in the existing tank, separating both species, treating both species, completely disinfecting tank, not sure how to increase ventilliation though. Alternatively you can test them first and treat later.