New White's tree froggie died. Help!!! Quarantine advice needed...

[Strider18]

Sorry about your frog Can you please answer these questions and highlight them if possible? It may help us determine what happened.

1. Size of enclosure
2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences
3. Humidity
4. Temperature
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
6. Materials used for substrate
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.
8. Main food source
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)
10. Lighting
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
12. When is the last time he/she ate
13. Have you found poop lately
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
15. Describe frog's symptoms and/or recent physical changes; to include it's ventral/belly area.
16. How old is the frog
17. How long have you owned him/her
18. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred
19. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats
20. How often the frog is handled
21. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
22. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)

by Lynn(Flybyferns) and GrifTheGreat.


0.1.0 Psuedacris regilla

[teslas intern]

Sorry about your frog Can you please answer these questions and highlight them if possible? It may help us determine what happened.

1. Size of enclosure
2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences
3. Humidity
4. Temperature
5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
6. Materials used for substrate
7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.
- How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.
8. Main food source
9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)
10. Lighting
11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
12. When is the last time he/she ate
13. Have you found poop lately
14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
15. Describe frog's symptoms and/or recent physical changes; to include it's ventral/belly area.
16. How old is the frog
17. How long have you owned him/her
18. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred
19. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats
20. How often the frog is handled
21. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
22. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)

by Lynn(Flybyferns) and GrifTheGreat.


0.1.0 Psuedacris regilla

1. About 35 gallons. They have since been moved to 4 gallon quarantine tanks.
2. Two whites tree frogs. About 2.5 inches snout to vent.
3. Unknown humidity, but the substrate was soaked so I'd say fairly high.
4. Temperature unknown, I had a 60 watt ceramic heater. I'll put a humidity/temp Gage in the quarantine tasks tomorrow.
5. Water was softened well water. No treatments were used.
6. The substrate was peat moss, covered in assorted native mosses. There were some blue spruce? Type needles in it on close inspection. The past moss I am almost certain had fertilizer in it, after checking tonight. Quarantine tasks have paper towel substrate.
7. Live pothos and English ivy, natural native moss and native tree bark. I used no sterilization...
8. Blatta lateralis roaches, raised them myself.
9. Tried to give them vitamins the night prior, but they didn't seem to eat any of the roaches out if the bowl. I only got them this week, and I don't know if they got supineness at the pet store.
10. A rainforest UVB bulb, and a ceramic heater bulb, both on 12 hour timers.
11. See above.
12. Tuesday for one of them, unknown for the other. They had roaches running around their bin and could have rated at outer times, but I didn't see them eat.
13. Haven't seen any poop, but it would have been hard to see. I should have an easier time now that they are on towels.
14.
15. The frog got really skinny fast. The healthy one had it's belly sticking out when it sits down, the sick one did not. It also maintained a dark color until it died, and spent a lot of time in the dirt.
16. Age unknown, I just bought them, but they were not full size, so I suspect maybe a year or so old. Just a guess, I'm no expert unfortunately.
17. 5 days.
18. I assume captive bred, as it was blueish, which means Australian? I got it at Petco.
19. I'd like to give it diverse food if it lived... I feed them lateralis twice, there were a number of them running around the cage.
20. A few times, due to escape attempts when I was removing suspect tree bark.
21. It was low traffic until this weekend, when my dad turned on the TV. I have since moved it to my room with the roaches and tarantulas, should be quiet enough there.
22. Changed water daily, and misted daily. did nothing else until I overhauled the tank last night to remove native moss and hot glue strings.

Let me know if more info is needed...

[irThumper]

Wow, Scott, what a rough start Sorry you lost your frog! My four young White's tree frogs also came from Petco (two on Oct 1 and two on Oct 9, all from the same tank) and I can say pretty conclusively that I will never purchase another animal from that store. Within 3-4 days of purchasing our frogs one started having loose stool, eventually they all had it. I had a fecal test done and they tested positive for coccidiosis, an intestinal protozoal infection. Yesterday one of the frogs got a prolapse, so now I have to worry about that in case it recurs :/

#1. Answering the questions posted by Strider18 will help folks help you.

#2. In my opinion I would stop and undo EVERYTHING. Whites Tree Frog's need the proper temps and humidity, and keeping them in plastic boxes with or without holes is going to cause you way more problems. I'll let someone else chime in about your permanent setup, glue and etc. since I'm not to that point yet.

Here's my QT set up: I keep each of my Whites Tree Frog pairs in a 5.5 gal glass tank with a metal screen top lid. The tanks for quarantine should be MINIMALIST for ease of cleaning and possibly treating frogs (suggest highly you get fecal tests done). With reg room temp and a blue 60 watt light during the day and a red 60 watt light at night, I have maintained them at daytime temps of 77-80F and nighttime of 73-75F. Humidity is maintained at 50+% on average, going up to 70's% when misted, but not kept that high for any length of time. I use glazed saucers for 4" clay pots as soaking dishes and provide a couple of polished stones to help the frogs get in and out. I was using a live dracaena plant but now use silk artificial plants as they are easier to clean and sanitize (plastic is even easier but I don't care for the sharp edges). Substrate of choice: Damp Viva paper towels. Water: Bottled natural spring water in BPA free bottles (add dechlorinator). Food: Crickets daily, gut loaded on Flukers dry high calcium cricket diet; dusted once or twice a week with Reptocal with calcium, Vit D3, etc. Lighting: I use 6500k T8 grow lights/aquarium lighting (12 hrs on, 12 off) with the 60 watt blue & red lights for daytime/nighttime heating. Cleaning: Normally water change every day and spot cleaning for poo but when medicating should do a deep clean/disinfect daily of everything.

Anyhow, that's where I'm at for the moment. I hope your frogs will be fine and that you get a QT set up that works well for them. Good luck!

Here's the link to the White's Tree Frogs care sheet Frog Forum - White's Tree Frog Care - Litoria caerulea