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    I agree with Carols in making sure that ammonia you are using does not contain ANY chemicals besides ammonia. Be very careful on that one because if there are other chemicals in there you will be headed for trouble. Also agree on the distilled water, never use it. Use tap+SeaChem Prime. I've personally never used SeaChem Stability but I doubt it would do much harm to try it.

    When you read zero ammonia, zero nitrite, and nitrate under 20ppm it is time to add the frogs. Just please please please make sure the janitorial ammonia you used is 110% free of other harmful agents because they will surely kill your frogs I cannot stress this enough!! I did a little Googlin' and it appears that janitorial ammonia is usually 10% ammonia hydroxide. I assume this should be safe but I'm not sure..

    I find snails make good cycling animals. They do not produce a ton of waste so they won't cause the water to become toxic to themselves but they will add enough 'snail poop' to cycle the tank. Some cheap ghost shrimp would do the job too, again very small bioload so properly filtered they should survive the cycle (not that they are long lived anyways 1-2 years tops). I am a bit paranoid with using chemicals in my tanks. I would throw an apple snail in there once the ammonia hits zero and see how he does, or some ghost shrimp. Shrimp are a good indicator of water quality, and if they survive the frogs will just eat them anyways and enjoy the treat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpmistr View Post
    I agree with Carols in making sure that ammonia you are using does not contain ANY chemicals besides ammonia. Be very careful on that one because if there are other chemicals in there you will be headed for trouble. Also agree on the distilled water, never use it. Use tap+SeaChem Prime. I've personally never used SeaChem Stability but I doubt it would do much harm to try it.

    When you read zero ammonia, zero nitrite, and nitrate under 20ppm it is time to add the frogs. Just please please please make sure the janitorial ammonia you used is 110% free of other harmful agents because they will surely kill your frogs I cannot stress this enough!! I did a little Googlin' and it appears that janitorial ammonia is usually 10% ammonia hydroxide. I assume this should be safe but I'm not sure..

    I find snails make good cycling animals. They do not produce a ton of waste so they won't cause the water to become toxic to themselves but they will add enough 'snail poop' to cycle the tank. Some cheap ghost shrimp would do the job too, again very small bioload so properly filtered they should survive the cycle (not that they are long lived anyways 1-2 years tops). I am a bit paranoid with using chemicals in my tanks. I would throw an apple snail in there once the ammonia hits zero and see how he does, or some ghost shrimp. Shrimp are a good indicator of water quality, and if they survive the frogs will just eat them anyways and enjoy the treat.
    Do you think the shrimp would have to be quarantined?

    The ammonia I was using was just listed as 'Clear Ammonia' Ingrediants: Ammonium Hydroxide CONTAINS NO PHOSPHERUS. So it should be fairly pure.
    Unfortunately, I am having trouble getting a hold of a nitrite testing kit, save for the strips, which are not nearly as reliable.

    I am seriously considering just getting a new aquarium and filter and starting a cycle with Stability.

    Only I am on my fourth week of cycling and it makes me feel like I had wasted my time and money.

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    Could shrimp pellets or some of this finely ground ADF food work as well as a snail at keeping the bacteria fed? The guy at the petstore said to try frozen shrimp, as in the kind people eat. I have no idea how to take that advice.

    I MAY be able to get an apple snail or two or some ghost shrimp. The problem is my Nitrites seem to be way too high to really house anything.
    Until then fish food/frog food? I want to get away from the chemical as well, but it was recommended on a fishless cycle (although they do say that in a pinch some food will do.

    Here:
    How to Do a Fishless Cycle: 9 Steps - wikiHow
    The (almost) Complete Guide and FAQ to Fishless Cycling - Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community

    Should I continue to do this advice or go with Carlos?
    I personally, would like to move them, as I think space may be the biggest stressor of all.
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