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    grif, frog parasites are not contagious to human

    Matt, please follow the advise and get poop tested asap for parasites and protozoa as well, while the only problem you have is runny poop and he is still eating and looking good.
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    grif, frog parasites are not contagious to human

    Matt, please follow the advise and get poop tested asap for parasites and protozoa as well, while the only problem you have is runny poop and he is still eating and looking good.
    Lija not all parasitic worms are animal specific and yes you can contract tapeworms and pinworms. I don't know who told you that frog parasitic worms are not the same as the worms we can contract, but they're wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    Lija not all parasitic worms are animal specific and yes you can contract tapeworms and pinworms. I don't know who told you that frog parasitic worms are not the same as the worms we can contract, but they're wrong.
    I agree with Grif here, most parasites that I've done research on are not picky about what animal they take on as long as it's got a compatible system to breed and roost in.

    However, I think everyone else has you covered, Matt.

    Good luck, and keep us updated.
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    1.0.0 Pseudacris Regilla (Levi )
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    All parasitic worms that can be found in frogs are not contagious to human or any other warm blooded being! and vise versa human parasitic worms are not contagious to a frog. In fact very small amount of worm species can affect people.

    Grif if you think I'm wrong, please provide species of parasitic worms that can be found in both frogs and humans, nobody knows everything and if I'm wrong I would love to know it.

    Dr. Matt - even if those "grains" are not worms, runny poop alone is a sign of something parasitic that is going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lija View Post
    All parasitic worms that can be found in frogs are not contagious to human or any other warm blooded being! and vise versa human parasitic worms are not contagious to a frog. In fact very small amount of worm species can affect people.
    Lija
    Here is a quote from
    Health Effects of Harmful Organisms | Natural Health & Organic Living Blog

    Roundworms/Pinworms

    Did you know that there are more than 20,000 different species of roundworms? Some 15,000 of them live by sucking nutrients from hosts and “over 1.5 billions people are infected with some form of roundworm.” Roundworms are the most common harmful organism on the planet, but pinworms are the most common in the United States.
    Pinworms are small white intestinal invaders and it is believed that may specifically target humans. Pinworm eggs move along the small intestine where they hatch and mature. Adult pinworms travel to the colon where they can live for several months.
    Symptoms of pinworm infestation include anal itchiness, insomnia, and poor appetite. Because the eggs are laid around the anus and its itchy, the re-infestation in children can recur repeatedly when the child scratches and then transfers them to their mouths on unclean hands.
    Pinworms can live for as long as two weeks outside the body. And if someone touches a contaminated surface and puts unclean hands in the mouth, it’s very likely they may become infected.

    I will check with my vet but I suspect that it is very possible.



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    Lija

    Tapeworms are more of a worry than the Pinworms. There are so many different species out there of each and yes what may infect one animal may be harmless to another. Tapeworms are not always animal specific and no I do not have the link nor donI have the species, but one type in particular are found in locusts and I have read somewhere years ago that it was one that could also infect humans, but perhaps it was just hitching a ride. Like parasites found in most snails.

    I'm far from an expert on these things so I'll let those who know more on the suject handle it.

    Sorry if you felt put on the spot.


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    that's all right, but these things are better be clarified if in question. For zoonotic parasitic diseases different care measures are to be taken.
    I'll look if I find somewhere about it that I can post, most websites with specific information are locked for general public and i can't copy it so not to get myself in trouble

    general principle - tapeworms - they have to have intermittent host, the whole cycle goes like that - egg-larvae-adult, larvae sometimes undergo 2 transformation for such 2 hosts are needed, in order for adult form to develop in host organism ( human) a person have to consume the larvae. The most common in humans are beef and pork ones, people get infected by eating not properly cooked meat, that contains cysts with larvae. I've seen both, not sure how it is possible to eat meat with beef tapeworm cyst, they are big and very much visible. pork ones are small, but still visible to the extend.

    pinworms are specific to humans, so if you or your kid have pinworms your frog is safe and vise versa, but sure you wanna wash your hands and get it treated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Charles Bruckner View Post
    Lija
    Here is a quote from
    Health Effects of Harmful Organisms | Natural Health & Organic Living Blog

    Roundworms/Pinworms

    Did you know that there are more than 20,000 different species of roundworms? Some 15,000 of them live by sucking nutrients from hosts and “over 1.5 billions people are infected with some form of roundworm.” Roundworms are the most common harmful organism on the planet, but pinworms are the most common in the United States.
    Pinworms are small white intestinal invaders and it is believed that may specifically target humans. Pinworm eggs move along the small intestine where they hatch and mature. Adult pinworms travel to the colon where they can live for several months.
    Symptoms of pinworm infestation include anal itchiness, insomnia, and poor appetite. Because the eggs are laid around the anus and its itchy, the re-infestation in children can recur repeatedly when the child scratches and then transfers them to their mouths on unclean hands.
    Pinworms can live for as long as two weeks outside the body. And if someone touches a contaminated surface and puts unclean hands in the mouth, it’s very likely they may become infected.

    I will check with my vet but I suspect that it is very possible.


    Lija is correct.
    I just got a response from my vet.
    "Avian and Exotic Animal Care
    Pinworm infections are species-specific so no, YOU are not at risk. Your other frogs, however, will be. We always advocate washing hands after handling any animals just for safety's sake also."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Charles Bruckner View Post
    Lija is correct.
    I just got a response from my vet.
    "Avian and Exotic Animal Care
    Pinworm infections are species-specific so no, YOU are not at risk. Your other frogs, however, will be. We always advocate washing hands after handling any animals just for safety's sake also."
    That is settled then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lija View Post
    All parasitic worms that can be found in frogs are not contagious to human or any other warm blooded being! and vise versa human parasitic worms are not contagious to a frog. In fact very small amount of worm species can affect people.

    Grif if you think I'm wrong, please provide species of parasitic worms that can be found in both frogs and humans, nobody knows everything and if I'm wrong I would love to know it.

    Dr. Matt - even if those "grains" are not worms, runny poop alone is a sign of something parasitic that is going on.

    It's good advice to never feel safe around any sort of parasite ever. I wouldn't want someones kid to get the impression that they can't catch parasites from non-humans, or that they don't need to be careful around their pets, even though that is not what you're saying here right now. Parasites are scary O_O Like us and everything else in the world, there is a possibility that they could adapt, change, grow... New species could still be discovered.

    (I'm not disagreeing with Lija, but fear the parasites, please)

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    I found out that they were not parasites anyways! they were undigested cricket limbs. i stopped feading crickets and after a few bowel movements those things were gone. he would eat 48 crickets in a sitting.
    try feeding your frog crickets and then look at the stool in a few days, let me know if any of you see the same thing.

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    Good to hear,

    BTW when I started feeding only night crawlers to my pacman his BM was very loose and very smelly.
    And I found out why, when he was feeding on crickets he was getting small amounts of coco fiber with each cricket.
    so his BM was mostly coco fiber and a solid stool and had almost no odor at all.

    just FYI.



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    Quote Originally Posted by iheartfrogs View Post
    It's good advice to never feel safe around any sort of parasite ever. I wouldn't want someones kid to get the impression that they can't catch parasites from non-humans, or that they don't need to be careful around their pets, even though that is not what you're saying here right now. Parasites are scary O_O Like us and everything else in the world, there is a possibility that they could adapt, change, grow... New species could still be discovered.

    (I'm not disagreeing with Lija, but fear the parasites, please)
    no need to fear i like to educate kids versus just to plain scare and the fact is you can't catch tapeworm from a frog but you can catch the whole bunch of worse things (bacteria, fungus). frog parasites can be just a walk in a park comparing on Mycobacterium marinum for example. so education is always a good thing, kids will know not to be scared but to have a knowledge and reasoning for washing their hands before and after handling amphibian of any kind, including in a wild.

    Matt, i was wondering how it will turn out glad it was nothing!
    Save one animal and it doesn't change the world, but it surely changes the world for that one animal!

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