What frogs/toads can I keep with fish?

[Scottyhorse]

i'm not sure about the bumblebees. a quick search on the net should show some sort of care sheet that is more extensive than the one you already read. as far as heating goes, it all depends on how you design the tank. i will say this though. a heating pad under a vivarium is a bad idea, since most vivs have a bit of water at the bottom of the tank, due to misting and drainage from watering live plants. as you can imagine, hot glass and cool water are like oil and water, except oil and water won't leave your floor wet.....lol

lol.... so no heating pad then.. Haha. What I was thinking for the tank was making more of a sloping substrate, with a small pool of water at the front. I read 1/3 of the tank should be water, so maybe I will do a little more, and maybe a little trickling water fall? I don't know.. lol Thinking I will use coco coir and leaf litter. Underneath that dirt for the plants.

[Scottyhorse]

So, I just so happen to have a large size critter keeper available. Anything I can put in there? Or.... Will I end up with another terrarium?

[deranged chipmunk]

lol.... so no heating pad then.. Haha. What I was thinking for the tank was making more of a sloping substrate, with a small pool of water at the front. I read 1/3 of the tank should be water, so maybe I will do a little more, and maybe a little trickling water fall? I don't know.. lol Thinking I will use coco coir and leaf litter. Underneath that dirt for the plants.

that will work, but remember that you need a drainage layer at the very bottom, otherwise you will just have a bog condition, and they are fantastic for growing all kinds of nasty bacteria and fungii that wouldn't be good in such a confined space. you could always add a heating pad on the side or back of the tank for heat, but most people who have done that say that it isn't very effective. i can't speak with any experience on that. i prefer a false bottom and use an aquarium heater to heat the water which in turn heats the air. it's probably because im a fish guy...lol

as far as the critter keeper, some dart breeders keep their frogs in plastic shoe boxes for breeding, so i would guess a single or pair of thumbnails would possibly be ok in a large critter keeper. a baby pacman could be kept in on temporarily, but it will outgrow it extremely quickly. best bet would be to use the critter keeper to culture bugs for the frogs to eat and just add a terrarium for the frogs.

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

you could always add a heating pad on the side or back of the tank for heat, but most people who have done that say that it isn't very effective.

To add to Bill's statement,
I have a 18X18X12 and use a medium zoomed heat mat on the side. In addition to a ceramic and infra red heat lamp.
controlled by a Zoomed HT-10 hygro-therm controller.

Being a field engineer for GE zenith I have access to a Thermal image camera and have noticed that the majority
of the heat produced by the pad when it is on a vertical surface loses almost 40% of its heat to the out side air.
Simply because of convection Heat wants to go up or at least heated fluids does. (yes air is a fluid.)

But it still makes a difference.

IF you do plan on using a heat pad make sure that when you stick it to the glass that the glass is first cleaned with a good glass cleaner then use rubbing alcohol to clean the glass also. This will get rid of any oils.
When you apply the heat matt make sure that there little to no air bubbles in between the mat and the glass.

[deranged chipmunk]

man, Louis is wicked smart, right?? hey Louis, what are your thoughts on heat tape vs. a heat pad? and do you think you could prevent some thermal loss by covering it with some form of insulation? maybe something like mylar?

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

man, Louis is wicked smart, right?? hey Louis, what are your thoughts on heat tape vs. a heat pad? and do you think you could prevent some thermal loss by covering it with some form of insulation? maybe something like mylar?

The only heat tape I have any experience with is the type used to keep pipe from freezing.
I wouldn't cover it unless you put some kind of temp sensor on it to keep it from getting too hot.

BTW I am not smart just old.

[deranged chipmunk]

i was actually thinking of the heat tape for reptile tanks, but when you mentioned over heating when covering it up, i realized the flaw in my plan.

and smart is smart, but age brings wisdom that's probably why my wife no longer calls me a smart a$$ and now calls me a wise a$$...LOL

[Scottyhorse]

lol... you guys are funny!! Hehe. So.. I don't have the money to buy a thermal image camera (though I have played with them, they are very cool ) what would be the best option to heat the tank? I am guessing the light bulb would do it during the day, but for night? I could move it upstairs where it's about 70, but I don't think I would be allowed.. lol.. There's already a bird and a 40B fish tank up there!!