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    Quote Originally Posted by flybyferns View Post
    I don't know Cam.
    My kitties have never stepped foot outdoors.
    Sadly, it's just not the same as the 'old fashion' way we used to have cats.
    A cat is faced with so many health ( and safety) threats outdoors.
    They are exposed to various wildlife, in addition to the viruses and illnesses harbored by these other animals and feral cats.
    The pesticides in the lawn care products -- alone are a disaster.
    I had one cat ( yeas ago) die from Toxoplasma gondii, a parasite from mainly rodents. It caused horrible neurological problems. Exposure to rabies, feline leukemia and feline immunodeficiency virus are highly possible because there are so many feral cats. Unfortunately, vaccinations will reduce but not eliminate the threat of some of these diseases. So, I have the same opinion about feeding my cat a random cricket. Why? Why bother? They have cat food!
    Lynn
    I'm not suggesting it's a good idea for cats to live outside, but very many do successfully. I commend you for keeping yours indoor, they are horrible on small native wildlife.
    I just don't think I would worry about a cricket giving your cat parasites when animals of all kinds (amphibians, reptiles, sugar gliders, arachnids, etc) eat them as a staple.

    I don't think feeding them a cricket is about feeding them. It's not a replacement for their food of course. It's more about giving the cat an edible toy.

    I don't really care either way. I don't like cats



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    Quote Originally Posted by KingCam View Post
    I'm not suggesting it's a good idea for cats to live outside, but very many do successfully. I commend you for keeping yours indoor, they are horrible on small native wildlife.
    I just don't think I would worry about a cricket giving your cat parasites when animals of all kinds (amphibians, reptiles, sugar gliders, arachnids, etc) eat them as a staple.

    I don't think feeding them a cricket is about feeding them. It's not a replacement for their food of course. It's more about giving the cat an edible toy.

    I don't really care either way. I don't like cats

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    Hi Cam
    <I don't really care either way. I don't like cats >

    Many years ago when my husband an I got married; he "didn't care for cats" either.
    Funny though , he never had one ?
    Well....it did not take very long for him to get to know my 2 cats I moved in with!
    Now, he loves cats.
    Have you ever owned a cat? I mean, a cat that you -personally-picked out and took home?
    They are very devoted!
    Lynn
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    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    Red-eyed tree frogs change colors to blend in. If he is not around dark backing, plants, or ground, there is really no reason he should be darker. Humidity issues can also cause the skin to become darker. Due to the fact that he is very dark and his skin does not apear to be extremely moist, I would point this at low humidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meade Hamilton Lewis View Post
    Red-eyed tree frogs change colors to blend in. If he is not around dark backing, plants, or ground, there is really no reason he should be darker. Humidity issues can also cause the skin to become darker. Due to the fact that he is very dark and his skin does not apear to be extremely moist, I would point this at low humidity.
    In my experience, this is not true... sorry.
    My red-eye is always darker at night, when the lights are out. Even with high humidity and perfect temps. When lights come on first thing in the AM, my red-eye appears darker, like Lynn's Ruby.
    Lynn is a very experienced frog owner, I would only be so lucky to come back as one of her frogs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolisnide View Post
    In my experience, this is not true... sorry.
    My red-eye is always darker at night, when the lights are out. Even with high humidity and perfect temps. When lights come on first thing in the AM, my red-eye appears darker, like Lynn's Ruby.
    Lynn is a very experienced frog owner, I would only be so lucky to come back as one of her frogs!

    In another tree frog quote where this same question was posed, (http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...een-color.html) on the second response, Don said quote,

    "They change color due to several things, from humidity, temperature, mood, and even to blend in. It is going to be very common for you to find him this color. They change color quickly and I can photograph one in full bright green and then minutes later find him dark brown.

    How long have you had him?
    What are the enclosures temps and humidity for both day and night time?".

    I have also found that if the red-eyed tree frog is a dark color (more of a dark brown) it may mean that there is an environmental problem in the tank ie. Humidity, temp, ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meade Hamilton Lewis View Post

    How long have you had him?
    What are the enclosures temps and humidity for both day and night time?".

    I have also found that if the red-eyed tree frog is a dark color (more of a dark brown) it may mean that there is an environmental problem in the tank ie. Humidity, temp, ect.

    Are you directing this question to me or Lynn?
    I believe Lynn has had Ruby for several years, but she can answer that. She also has several Black eyed- tree frogs and several other red-eyes....
    Her experience is full, and she is very knowledgeable, as is Don.
    Though I agree that red-eyes will change color due to environmental problems, they also change to a darker color at night. (this may be part of their camo)

    I have had my red-eye for only 2 1/2 months. I am not as experienced as Lynn, so I will let someone else chime in on this subject now, as I am a little offended by your comments and assumptions of the care our frogs are receiving. I spend hours upon hours researching and I am perfectly informed on the care red-eyes require.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolisnide View Post
    Are you directing this question to me or Lynn?
    I believe Lynn has had Ruby for several years, but she can answer that. She also has several Black eyed- tree frogs and several other red-eyes....
    Her experience is full, and she is very knowledgeable, as is Don.
    Though I agree that red-eyes will change color due to environmental problems, they also change to a darker color at night. (this may be part of their camo)

    I have had my red-eye for only 2 1/2 months. I am not as experienced as Lynn, so I will let someone else chime in on this subject now, as I am a little offended by your comments and assumptions of the care our frogs are receiving. I spend hours upon hours researching and I am perfectly informed on the care red-eyes require.
    Cute little 'Ruby' is my oldest red eyed tree frog.
    I acquired him in August of 2008 as an adult. So, not quite sure of his age.
    He is also my smallest ( green) red eye.

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    He's little fired up! 'Cricket' is sleeping behind him. Ruby was just on his leaf ; shaking up a storm.
    Cricket was not about to give up his leaf!
    'Luna', my albino, is just calmly watching the whole ridiculous 'display' from boss Ruby.
    They are so funny ! Gotta love it
    Lynn
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    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    It's so interesting how this thread has evolved!
    I am a HUGE cat lover! I live in the country, and the danger for my cat is coyotes. I have an American Short haired tabby.
    Fortunately I do not fear poisoning nor pesticides, like Lynn, but do fear my cat will be eaten! My cat goes outside with me in the garden, then back in the house he goes!
    I do agree that cats are safer and healthier if they live indoors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolisnide View Post
    It's so interesting how this thread has evolved!
    I am a HUGE cat lover! I live in the country, and the danger for my cat is coyotes. I have an American Short haired tabby.
    Fortunately I do not fear poisoning nor pesticides, like Lynn, but do fear my cat will be eaten! My cat goes outside with me in the garden, then back in the house he goes!
    I do agree that cats are safer and healthier if they live indoors.

    Hi Bolisnide
    It is an interesting thread! It's really has gone everywhere !
    We may have gotten Cam to reconsider 'kitty cats'
    Current Collection
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    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meade Hamilton Lewis View Post
    Red-eyed tree frogs change colors to blend in. If he is not around dark backing, plants, or ground, there is really no reason he should be darker. Humidity issues can also cause the skin to become darker. Due to the fact that he is very dark and his skin does not apear to be extremely moist, I would point this at low humidity.

    Hi Meade
    The humidity in my enclosures is actually quite stable; controlled by an automatic misting system and well ventilated with a small fan that pulls the air out and set on a timer. My red eyed tree frogs are dark at night and are their beautiful light green color during the day when the lights are on. The 6 am photo was taken just at lights ON. Hence, "night and day". This is normal.

    I have , personally, never noticed one of my red eyes ......... dark during the day.
    If a red eyed tree frog's coloration is mottled, spotted or dark during the day, one should expect that the frog is stressed or not well.
    Current Collection
    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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