Night and Day

[flybyferns]

Ruby's camo.....

6:30 AM


11:00 AM

[GrifTheGreat]

Ruby looks great! Its so cool how they change colors. :-)

[flybyferns]

Ruby and Cricket are getting to be an old men !

[Bolisnide]

Ruby's camo.....

6:30 AM


11:00 AM

She's so healthy looking! My red-eye is a bit thinner...
I was going to PM you, but I'll just ask here.
Do you feed your red-eyes every night? I have been feeding mine every night about 5 small crickets, she sometimes leaves one or two in the bowl when I go in to turn on her lights...
She looks healthy, but after seeing Ruby, I'm wondering if mine could put on a little more weight.
I'll email you a pic when I can get to it, and maybe you can let me know what you think?

[flybyferns]

She's so healthy looking! My red-eye is a bit thinner...
I was going to PM you, but I'll just ask here.
Do you feed your red-eyes every night? I have been feeding mine every night about 5 small crickets, she sometimes leaves one or two in the bowl when I go in to turn on her lights...
She looks healthy, but after seeing Ruby, I'm wondering if mine could put on a little more weight.
I'll email you a pic when I can get to it, and maybe you can let me know what you think?

Hi ,
YES I feed every night. (small crickets) I have never fed medium crickets.
(both my A callidryas and the A moreletii)

There are a lot of skinny red eyed tree frogs
If there is a reason to ration their food......I have no idea what that reason is, or why?

They will not over-eat. They will develop there own feeding schedule.
Simply remove uneaten food asap and return them to the bin to feed/or gut load.

Specifically- I have two enclosures
In one , at the moment, I house one adult A moreletii- he gets 6 small crickets every night ( I have a dusting schedule...... cal and vits are not dusted on the same nights) I use one clear glass bowl. He never eats the same amount from night to night.

In another tank I house 4 adult red eyed tree frogs. It has 2 clear glass bowls. I put 6 small crickets in each bowl. Same thing. There is no rhyme or reason as to what they eat.

There will always be missing crickets from the red eyed 's bowls.
(from no remaining crickets in the bowls to just a few missing)

The black eyed ( A moreletii ) eats more erratically. Unlike the red eyes, he may go a night now and then w/out eating any at all. Then make up for it by eating all 6 the next night. He eats quite a bit .

Why 6. Simply to have consistency in taking a head count as to how much food is missing each morning.

The 4 A moreletii froglets get a feast every night ! They have graduated to extra small crickets.


Yikes .......Sorry for the long explanation.

[Bolisnide]

Thank you soooo much Lynn! You're awesome! I love long explanations

When I brought home the little girl and her brother (from petco, http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...ew-mexico.html) she was only slightly bigger than a quarter. Now she's almost 2 inches! I've always fed her nightly, though she didn't really eat for the first few days. Now she eats any where from zero crickets and as many as 5 per night (using the glass bowl feeding method).
I know she's growing, but when I saw Ruby, I thought she may be a little under weight and thought that maybe she needed more??? But if A. callidryas can regulate their own food intake, I'll stop worrying?
Of course, I can't find my camera, but when I do I'll post a pic.

I also have a L. caerulea, and he will probably eat until he explodes. His appetite is unending! So when I started noticing left over crickets in my A. callidryas, I was slightly concerned...

One other question:
I use Repashy Calcium plus, which says on the package to dust with every feeding. It is a Cricket Instant Balancer and 'All In One' supplement, which I understand means that the calcium and vitamin ratio makes the crickets a complete food?
Here's the analysis:
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS: Crude Protein min. 2%, Crude Fat min. 0.2%, Crude Fat max. 0.6%, Crude Fiber max. 1%, Moisture max. 8%, Ash max. 35%, Calcium min. 17%, Calcium max. 20%, Phosphorus min. 0.6%, Vitamin E min. 2,000 IU/lb, Vitamin D min. 20,000 IU/lb, Vitamin A min. 200,000 IU/lb. Total Carotenoids min. 500 mg/lb.

I have had conflicting advice from people, some saying to dust only twice per week, others who dust with every feeding.
I currently dust with every feeding for both my red-eye and white's). What are your thoughts on that?

Thanks again for all of your help!

[flybyferns]

Happy to share and discuss this !

My dusting schedule for both my A callidryas and the A moreletii is as follows:

I use:
Rep-cal Calcium with Vitamin D ( Phosphorous free)
Rep-cal Herpativite ( w/ beta carotene ) multivitamins

mon- calcium
tues-vits
wed-nothing
thur -calcium
fri- vits
sat-calcium
sun-nothing

so this = ca 3X weekly and vit 2 X weekly

If my A moreletii should skip a night's crickets--- I will dust with what he missed the next night

My cricket food is a combination of:
a home made recipe
http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...cket-food.html

occasional fresh produce or orange slices ( yuck ....... too messy !)
Rep-call Cricket food
Repashy Superload
Flukers Cricket juice
gut load from Purr and Waggs
(there food is wonderful, they have a banner here on FF) I have purchased from them for a long time
I mostly use my homemade recipe and just add a little of the others for variety - no real schedule

The crickets grow quickly. I have to buy at least twice a week; otherwise the small crickets get too big.
I have always had one 2.0 UVB light hanging from the ceiling shining through the screen tops.

[Bolisnide]

Wow, this is fabulous information.
I love your recipe for cricket food, I may try that.
I currently feed my crickets produce (yes, yuck!), Repashy Superload, and Flukers thirst quencher fortified with calcium.
And like I said, I currently dust daily with the Repashy Calcium plus for my A callidryas

I like the schedule you have.... but, Josh's frogs accidentally sent me a 32 oz bag of the Repashy Calcium Plus (instead of the 8 oz container I ordered), and they said to just keep it
Which was super nice of them, but now I have this enormous bag of Repashy Calcium Plus!
How often would you recommend dusting with the Repashy Calcium Plus? And should I add the multi vit into the schedule? Should I add just calcium without phosphorous?
(sorry to hijack this thread with all of these questions).

Also, what do you do with your big crickets?

[KingCam]

I don't know Cam.
My kitties have never stepped foot outdoors.
Sadly, it's just not the same as the 'old fashion' way we used to have cats.
A cat is faced with so many health ( and safety) threats outdoors.
They are exposed to various wildlife, in addition to the viruses and illnesses harbored by these other animals and feral cats.
The pesticides in the lawn care products -- alone are a disaster.
I had one cat ( yeas ago) die from Toxoplasma gondii, a parasite from mainly rodents. It caused horrible neurological problems. Exposure to rabies, feline leukemia and feline immunodeficiency virus are highly possible because there are so many feral cats. Unfortunately, vaccinations will reduce but not eliminate the threat of some of these diseases. So, I have the same opinion about feeding my cat a random cricket. Why? Why bother? They have cat food!
Lynn

I'm not suggesting it's a good idea for cats to live outside, but very many do successfully. I commend you for keeping yours indoor, they are horrible on small native wildlife.
I just don't think I would worry about a cricket giving your cat parasites when animals of all kinds (amphibians, reptiles, sugar gliders, arachnids, etc) eat them as a staple.

I don't think feeding them a cricket is about feeding them. It's not a replacement for their food of course. It's more about giving the cat an edible toy.

I don't really care either way. I don't like cats



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[flybyferns]

I'm not suggesting it's a good idea for cats to live outside, but very many do successfully. I commend you for keeping yours indoor, they are horrible on small native wildlife.
I just don't think I would worry about a cricket giving your cat parasites when animals of all kinds (amphibians, reptiles, sugar gliders, arachnids, etc) eat them as a staple.

I don't think feeding them a cricket is about feeding them. It's not a replacement for their food of course. It's more about giving the cat an edible toy.

I don't really care either way. I don't like cats

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Hi Cam
<I don't really care either way. I don't like cats >

Many years ago when my husband an I got married; he "didn't care for cats" either.
Funny though , he never had one ?
Well....it did not take very long for him to get to know my 2 cats I moved in with!
Now, he loves cats.
Have you ever owned a cat? I mean, a cat that you -personally-picked out and took home?
They are very devoted!
Lynn

[Meade Hamilton Lewis]

Red-eyed tree frogs change colors to blend in. If he is not around dark backing, plants, or ground, there is really no reason he should be darker. Humidity issues can also cause the skin to become darker. Due to the fact that he is very dark and his skin does not apear to be extremely moist, I would point this at low humidity.

[Bolisnide]

Red-eyed tree frogs change colors to blend in. If he is not around dark backing, plants, or ground, there is really no reason he should be darker. Humidity issues can also cause the skin to become darker. Due to the fact that he is very dark and his skin does not apear to be extremely moist, I would point this at low humidity.

In my experience, this is not true... sorry.
My red-eye is always darker at night, when the lights are out. Even with high humidity and perfect temps. When lights come on first thing in the AM, my red-eye appears darker, like Lynn's Ruby.
Lynn is a very experienced frog owner, I would only be so lucky to come back as one of her frogs!

[Meade Hamilton Lewis]

In my experience, this is not true... sorry.
My red-eye is always darker at night, when the lights are out. Even with high humidity and perfect temps. When lights come on first thing in the AM, my red-eye appears darker, like Lynn's Ruby.
Lynn is a very experienced frog owner, I would only be so lucky to come back as one of her frogs!

In another tree frog quote where this same question was posed, (http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...een-color.html) on the second response, Don said quote,

"They change color due to several things, from humidity, temperature, mood, and even to blend in. It is going to be very common for you to find him this color. They change color quickly and I can photograph one in full bright green and then minutes later find him dark brown.

How long have you had him?
What are the enclosures temps and humidity for both day and night time?".

I have also found that if the red-eyed tree frog is a dark color (more of a dark brown) it may mean that there is an environmental problem in the tank ie. Humidity, temp, ect.

[Bolisnide]

It's so interesting how this thread has evolved!
I am a HUGE cat lover! I live in the country, and the danger for my cat is coyotes. I have an American Short haired tabby.
Fortunately I do not fear poisoning nor pesticides, like Lynn, but do fear my cat will be eaten! My cat goes outside with me in the garden, then back in the house he goes!
I do agree that cats are safer and healthier if they live indoors.

[flybyferns]

It's so interesting how this thread has evolved!
I am a HUGE cat lover! I live in the country, and the danger for my cat is coyotes. I have an American Short haired tabby.
Fortunately I do not fear poisoning nor pesticides, like Lynn, but do fear my cat will be eaten! My cat goes outside with me in the garden, then back in the house he goes!
I do agree that cats are safer and healthier if they live indoors.

Hi Bolisnide
It is an interesting thread! It's really has gone everywhere !
We may have gotten Cam to reconsider 'kitty cats'

[flybyferns]

Red-eyed tree frogs change colors to blend in. If he is not around dark backing, plants, or ground, there is really no reason he should be darker. Humidity issues can also cause the skin to become darker. Due to the fact that he is very dark and his skin does not apear to be extremely moist, I would point this at low humidity.

Hi Meade
The humidity in my enclosures is actually quite stable; controlled by an automatic misting system and well ventilated with a small fan that pulls the air out and set on a timer. My red eyed tree frogs are dark at night and are their beautiful light green color during the day when the lights are on. The 6 am photo was taken just at lights ON. Hence, "night and day". This is normal.

I have , personally, never noticed one of my red eyes ......... dark during the day.
If a red eyed tree frog's coloration is mottled, spotted or dark during the day, one should expect that the frog is stressed or not well.

[KingCam]

Hi Cam
<I don't really care either way. I don't like cats >

Many years ago when my husband an I got married; he "didn't care for cats" either.
Funny though , he never had one ?
Well....it did not take very long for him to get to know my 2 cats I moved in with!
Now, he loves cats.
Have you ever owned a cat? I mean, a cat that you -personally-picked out and took home?
They are very devoted!
Lynn

Never had one myself. My mom has some, and I will say I do really like one of them, but for the most part I don't care for cats. Every once in a while I will meet a rare cat that I like :P

If I ever had the opportunity to get an F1 Savannah Cat for way cheaper than normal I would get a cat, no hesitation.



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[flybyferns]

Cam
I never met a Savannah; they are beautiful !
My Mom had an Ocicat.......He was difficult when the other pets were around.
He was the first cat I ever met ( I have had many) that was a bit unpredictable.
I , currently, have 2 Burmese.(one sable and one blue). These 2 boys are my 3rd and 4th Burmese.
It makes me sound really old. Actually, one was stolen and the other poisoned ;
which brings us right back to where we started. They should just stay IN ! Just BAD stuff outside.
Especially Burmese- as they are very friendly and will walk up to anyone.
Also very dedicated........very dog like personalities!
ie I'm sitting at my desk and they are both at my feet.
If you would like to meet them --check out my "Other Charges" FF album.
Their nick names : blue is 'Cubby' and the sable is 'Chewie'.
Lynn

[Bolisnide]

Cam
I never met a Savannah; they are beautiful !
My Mom had an Ocicat.......He was difficult when the other pets were around.
He was the first cat I ever met ( I have had many) that was a bit unpredictable.
I , currently, have 2 Burmese.(one sable and one blue). These 2 boys are my 3rd and 4th Burmese.
It makes me sound really old. Actually, one was stolen and the other poisoned ;
which brings us right back to where we started. They should just stay IN ! Just BAD stuff outside.
Especially Burmese- as they are very friendly and will walk up to anyone.
Also very dedicated........very dog like personalities!
ie I'm sitting at my desk and they are both at my feet.
If you would like to meet them --check out my "Other Charges" FF album.
Their nick names : blue is 'Cubby' and the sable is 'Chewie'.
Lynn

I'm so sorry to hear about your first and second Burmese cats! That is terrible and must have been so heartbreaking!

[Bolisnide]

Ruby's camo.....

6:30 AM


11:00 AM

Well, while I'm at it (posting multiples on this thread!), how do you keep your viv glass so clean? I scrub mine with clean rags and treated water, to no avail! My frog's viv glass is so stained with hard water spots