Cage aggression

[Sunshine]

Thats great and all, but we're talking about Giant Pixie Frogs here. I don't see what your Pacman Frog has to do with Pixies being aggressive. Different species = different behavior.



You are anthropomorphizing your frog. Your frog does not respond to your voice. It cannot understand what you're saying. It is simply responding to (likely visual) stimuli in its environment (you or some other moving object).



This statement right here is literally impossible. "Trust" is a human emotion or feeling.....creatures such as frogs, whether you want to believe it or not, are incapable of such mental activity. Your frog does not trust you anymore than a rock or tree would. It simply is not in their wiring. You are projecting desired human traits onto an animal.....again, anthropomorphizing.

Your frog responds to your voice because it thinks the noise it is hearing is another frog. I have had many frogs that would call or respond to various types of music.....thats does not mean "ZOMG my frog LOOOVES techno music! It makes him happy!"......they are simply not smart enough to differentiate between the 2 sounds. Nothing more.

Just because your animals don't like you doesn't mean his animals don't like him!!

[Beardo]

Just because your animals don't like you doesn't mean his animals don't like him!!

Actually, it does. Frogs cannot "like" anyone. I cannot believe I am actually having this conversation with adults. I hope you are merely an aloof preteen......then you would at least have an excuse lol.

[GrifTheGreat]

Actually, it does. Frogs cannot "like" anyone. I cannot believe I am actually having this conversation with adults. I hope you are merely an aloof preteen......then you would at least have an excuse lol.

I never said anywhere within any statement I've typed here that my frogs felt human emotions. Sorry if you misinterpreted that. When I used the word "trust" I did not mean it in as anthropomorphism. Trust can result from, for lack of a better word, training. And no, I don't consider my frogs "trained" the way a dog would be. They have adapted to their lives in captivity. They do not see us as a threat, and they do recognize as bringers of food.

Any inferences about the psychology of frogs is going to be nothing more than supposition. There is no scientific proof one way or the other. Most information is going to be based on personal experience not empirical evidence. Yes, you can make arguments either way. People will always find information to support their own viewpoint, even if they have to twist it. If a frog can distinguish between the mating call of frogs of different species, then it stands to reason that they can distinguish between a frog and man-made noises. What you would call base animal instinct, I call intelligence. No, they may not be as intelligent as other animals, but you are severely undervaluing them. Many experienced keepers and breeders feel affection for their amphibians. As long as it doesn't cross the line to over-handling and "cuddling" how does that cause any harm? If proper husbandry is used, then being emotionally attached to amphibians is harmless. You may see it as folly to be anything other than detached, but many would disagree. It is a matter of respecting life, a life that you for which are responsible. As soon as we give them names we are humanizing them to a degree. If you are content with having numbered amphibians and reptiles in racks, then that is obviously your choice. Please don't antagonize others for being more openhearted. We can live with our attachments and you can wallow in your cynicism and solitude.

I realize that you will respond to this, but I won't be answering to this thread any more. This is not the purpose of this forum. We seek to be constructive. A person asked for simple advice about gloves and the thread turned into something very different. Please don't antagonize people and don't attack them on a basis of age or their opnions. There are many younger users on here (and no, I am not one of them), but that does not mean that they are any less intelligent of that their opinions are any less valued. Please read the forum rules. Thank you.

[Beardo]

I never said anywhere within any statement I've typed here that my frogs felt human emotions. Sorry if you misinterpreted that. When I used the word "trust" I did not mean it in as anthropomorphism. Trust can result from, for lack of a better word, training. And no, I don't consider my frogs "trained" the way a dog would be. They have adapted to their lives in captivity. They do not see us as a threat, and they do recognize as bringers of food.

LOL.....You're quite the dodger of words, Grif. Have you considered a career in politics? Your own statements were pretty cut and dry. You used the word "trust".....you did not say your frog was trained.

If a frog can distinguish between the mating call of frogs of different species, then it stands to reason that they can distinguish between a frog and man-made noises.

From what I have gathered, frogs' ears are actually "tuned" to *only* hear the calls of their species, meaning they are unable to hear other species or, in theory, man-made noises.

What you would call base animal instinct, I call intelligence

What you call a tomato, I call an eggplant. Your logic is assumptive at best.

Many experienced keepers and breeders feel affection for their amphibians.

I am one of those keepers, but my own (human) feelings does not change my perception of my captives nor does it put me under any illusions of their capabilities.

It seems to me that you think the purpose of this forum is to hold hands, sing Koombyah and frollick through the fields holding hands with our frogs.....you are apparently incapable of having point/counter-point discussions without resorting to faux-defensive statements. I have read the rules, and nowhere in this thread have I "attacked" anyone. It sounds like opposing viewpoints simply don't sit well with you. Which sucks, because a closed mind is the worst kind to have.

[Mikey]

Does any of this really matter?

My frogs are always hungry and when they see me they think lunging towards me will get food. Which is what normally occurs. The fact remains I do not trust the frogs, and certain individuals in this thread have given me great advice! That I appreciate greatly!

Lets avoid turning this into a question of frog psychology, everyone is going to have a different opinion on how animals react to people, which stems from the different ways people interact with their animals. The discussion is deviating far from the point.


Thanks all for your helpful advice! Really glad other people have similar experiences

[GrifTheGreat]

Does any of this really matter?

My frogs are always hungry and when they see me they think lunging towards me will get food. Which is what normally occurs. The fact remains I do not trust the frogs, and certain individuals in this thread have given me great advice! That I appreciate greatly!

Lets avoid turning this into a question of frog psychology, everyone is going to have a different opinion on how animals react to people, which stems from the different ways people interact with their animals. The discussion is deviating far from the point.


Thanks all for your helpful advice! Really glad other people have similar experiences

Don't worry Mikey. We settled it. Hope that find a way to avoid injury withwhichever gloves you've desided to use.

[Beardo]

Yeah, the proverbial hatchet has been buried, lol.

I also hope you find a way to avoid a bite.....but if you get tired of dodging mouths, let me know and I'll take them off your hands lol.