Twisted Frog?

[vivalabam]

Ah right thanks, what about for adult frogs? I've got 3 adults, I do them the same as the little one, 3 times a week, once for each type of vitamin. I want to make sure I'm doing ok with them seeing as nothing seems to be going right for me! Princess died the other week, she stopped eating again. I was just fighting a loosing battle with her, no matter what I did she just didn't want to eat. In the end she even refused wax worms, which is very unlike her.

Yeah he is a bit clumbsy, he doesn't do animals, but I thought he would be ok as King was ok when I left, well... He hadn't eaten for a few days, but he sometimes did that, then he would start eating again. I only found out he wasn't eating when I posted this topic, he said they were all ok. He didn't know them not eating was a bad thing.

[GrifTheGreat]

Your adults can be fed a large meal every 2 to 3 days. Supplement the prey items with one of the supplements during that feeding. Inbetween you can offer a snack or treat in which you will dust with one of the other supplements and rotate them for each feeding. However your feeding schedule is set. Adults take a little longer to digest their food so a large meal can last for. Up to 3 or for days before they actually need to be fed again.

Keep us posted on the little guy.

[vivalabam]

When my boyfriend woke up this morning, King was on his back. He is still alive and he flipped him back over, but that's not a good sign is it?

[GrifTheGreat]

When my boyfriend woke up this morning, King was on his back. He is still alive and he flipped him back over, but that's not a good sign is it?

That is a sign of severe stress.

[vivalabam]

What could that have been caused by? He wasn't disturbed, we didn't get chance to move him over to the different tank as the temperatures were high 70s, so not high enough...

[GrifTheGreat]

What could that have been caused by? He wasn't disturbed, we didn't get chance to move him over to the different tank as the temperatures were high 70s, so not high enough...

was he force fed like you said your OH was going too? He is also sick from not eating. This is also stressful. He needs food. Do you have 3 sides of the enclosure he is in covered with some sort of background?

[vivalabam]

We've not tried force feeding yet, I think the idea freaks my OH out a bit... He said he didn't want to do it earlier. >_< Yeah we do, he is next to another frog (can't see each other) and against a wall, and the top is coloured.

[GrifTheGreat]

We've not tried force feeding yet, I think the idea freaks my OH out a bit... He said he didn't want to do it earlier. >_< Yeah we do, he is next to another frog (can't see each other) and against a wall, and the top is coloured.

Without force feeding him and no vet trip put your frogs survival slim to non. Their is nothing we can do from here except advise. I'm sorry there isn't more we can do. The advise that has been given needs to be fallowed. If not you then your OH. Keep us posted.

[vivalabam]

Well I just got home, the first thing I did was force feed King, he really isn't in a good state at all. Although he did hve enough power to pee on me, which was lovely!

His eyes don't seem to be working, his bones are all soft, obviously from lack of nutrients for so long.

Although We have some giant Lob worms in, so I chopped the head off once, got his jaw open with a credit card and put the piece of worm in. e couldn't get it in his mouth very well, so I pushed it in more, I can see him trying to swallow, but I'm not sure if he can. I coated the worm in calcium as well! Fingers crossed he can swallow it and he can get a bit of strength up, and I'm going to try again later.

[GrifTheGreat]

To give him some energy you can soak him luke warm de-chlorinated water with 3 drops of honey disolved in it. Makes sure the water is only up to his chin. You can also try pedialite(unflavored formula) at a 10 to 1 ratio. 10 parts water 1part pedialite. So for every 10 ounces of water add one ounce of pedialite. This must also be in luke warm de-chlorinated water. Food items to be fed to him should be no larger than the distance between his eyes. He is weak and won't be able to swallow anything larger. He may choke to death if the food item is larger.

[GrifTheGreat]

The Pedialite bath is the best choice because it will provide nutrients and vitamins. You MUST! be very careful. He isprobably suffering from MBD(Metabolic Bone Disease) as well from lack of calcium. This combined with Scoliosis is very bad. Is he even able to move?

[vivalabam]

No not really, he is barely breathing.

[GrifTheGreat]

No not really, he is barely breathing.

I'm sorry. There is nothing more that I can do. I'm not a vet or expert. Had action been taken much sooner he may have had more of a chance, but we will never know. As a last resort to try and revive some energy to maybe eat, try the Pedialite soak. Do you know what Pedialite is? He may pass anyway, but atleast you would have done all you possibly could to save him. it breaks my heart. I am truely sorry.

[vivalabam]

It's ok, thanks so much for your help, wish I could have been here sooner to do something.

I don't know what a pedialite soak is no,

[DonLisk]

Pedialite Bath: Pedialite can be found a larger supermarkets and is used to add electrolytes back in the body after being ill.

Stay away from the flavored stuff, no telling what that has in it. Unflavored pedialite looks like water and has barely any taste. Drop this in warm water (mid-70s or room temp) at a 10/1 ratio (10 water, 1 pedialite, so like...10 ounces of water, one ounce of pedialite) and mix it in, then give the frog a bath for 10-20 minutes to let it soak in the nutrients.

[vivalabam]

Ah ok, I'll have a look tomorrow!

Just force fed again, he seems to have perked up ever so slightly, and it seems he managed to swallow the other piece of worm. He tried to hop, which was sad to watch, but he didn't even do that earlier he was just floppy.

[GrifTheGreat]

Fallow the instuctions that Don posted above. Go to the store. And try and find some. Just ask someone that works there if they have Pedialite and we said be sure that it is the unflavored kind.

[vivalabam]

Didn't get chance to go to town today, everything closes early!

Although he is still alive and it seems he has moved by himself, not very far, but still better than yesterday!

It looks as if he's been asleep all day, his eyes are down, when I shine a light on him to check he's breathing he sometimes opens them. I've never seen any of my frogs do this before, I sometimes catch them sleeping if I'm very quiet and barely move, but they soon snap awake as soon as they know I'm there. Don't know if him sleeping a lot is a good or bad thing...

Later on tonight I'm going to force feed another 2 chunks of worm dusted with D3.

[GrifTheGreat]

Didn't get chance to go to town today, everything closes early!

Although he is still alive and it seems he has moved by himself, not very far, but still better than yesterday!

It looks as if he's been asleep all day, his eyes are down, when I shine a light on him to check he's breathing he sometimes opens them. I've never seen any of my frogs do this before, I sometimes catch them sleeping if I'm very quiet and barely move, but they soon snap awake as soon as they know I'm there. Don't know if him sleeping a lot is a good or bad thing...

Later on tonight I'm going to force feed another 2 chunks of worm dusted with D3.

Keep us posted.

[vivalabam]

Keep us posted.

He's really putting up a fight now! He's trying to jump more and won't open his mouth, yesterday I could open it pretty easy, now he's like clamped it shut. :P He seems to be swallowing the worm pieces a little easier as well.

So fingers crossed he will still be alive tomorrow. ^_^

If he is shall I calcium the food again? Tonight he got 2 pieces that had D3 on and yesterday 2 pieces with calcium. I don't want to over dose him on it or anything, but his bones still feed quite soft.