Sudden death of my white's treefrog

[Bolisnide]

Hi guys,
So I've cleaned the viv, changed the water, I think we're good. Froggy seems active this evening and still healthy, so hopefully he didn't get too stressed with all the changes and having to stay in the small critter keeper all day...

Just a passing thought that I wanted to run by you all:
I cooked with a teflon pan yesterday morning and accidentally left the pan on while I did something else; it may have gotten too hot.
Does teflon kill frogs like it does birds? Maybe that's the culprit?

[mim]

so sorry for ur loss of sloppy, im glad that froggy seems ok. i got my lil 4 yr old son two whites tree frogs but its me whos fallen in love with them lol. its really hard trying to explain to kids why their pets are no longer here. 2 of ours cats were poisoned with anti freeze and as a result had to be put down, my daughter (5) was distraught! if i were u id try to use a different petstore in the future if possible as it really doesnt seem like the owner knows wot he is on about. im no expert but i know that u need to quarantine for at least 4 weeks and use dechlorinated water. also species shouldnt be mixed and the enclosure (in the pet shop) seems way too small for 3 frogs. if ur ever unsure of anythin this site is brilliant, theres always someone to help. i also hope that ur lil boy is ok and not too upset

[Bolisnide]

so sorry for ur loss of sloppy, im glad that froggy seems ok. i got my lil 4 yr old son two whites tree frogs but its me whos fallen in love with them lol. its really hard trying to explain to kids why their pets are no longer here. 2 of ours cats were poisoned with anti freeze and as a result had to be put down, my daughter (5) was distraught! if i were u id try to use a different petstore in the future if possible as it really doesnt seem like the owner knows wot he is on about. im no expert but i know that u need to quarantine for at least 4 weeks and use dechlorinated water. also species shouldnt be mixed and the enclosure (in the pet shop) seems way too small for 3 frogs. if ur ever unsure of anythin this site is brilliant, theres always someone to help. i also hope that ur lil boy is ok and not too upset

Thanks mim.... it is hard on the kids, and yes - I've become probably more attached to the frogs as I'm the one who cares for them.
And I think I will use a different pet store from now on. But the other one near me is one hour away, or PetSmart (an american chain store, which is probably worse than the one I bought the frogs from)!
Anyway, just to clarify - my water doesn't have chlorine in it, that's why I didn't know I still needed the de-chlorinator, and the petstore said it wasn't necessary...
This forum has saved my remaining frog, I'm sure of it! Thanks for all the advice.

And I'm sorry about your cats. We have cats also

[Mentat]

... I cooked with a teflon pan yesterday morning and accidentally left the pan on while I did something else; it may have gotten too hot.
Does teflon kill frogs like it does birds? Maybe that's the culprit?

Are you sure your pans are coated in teflon and not another non-stick coat? I'm asking because teflon coated pans, cleaners, etc. were removed from market a few years ago when discovered they can mess humans up with long term exposure (dying birds did warns us). Unsure if frogs are as delicate as birds and hopefully they aren't. However; for your family sake, if your pans are old and really covered in teflon, recommend you replace them ASAP. Good luck!

[Bolisnide]

Are you sure your pans are coated in teflon and not another non-stick coat? I'm asking because teflon coated pans, cleaners, etc. were removed from market a few years ago when discovered they can mess humans up with long term exposure (dying birds did warns us). Unsure if frogs are as delicate as birds and hopefully they aren't. However; for your family sake, if your pans are old and really covered in teflon, recommend you replace them ASAP. Good luck!

Oh, well maybe it's not teflon - it's a brand new pan. That's a relief!

[GrifTheGreat]

Frogs are more sensitive than birds. The fumes from teflon could have killed the frog, but since its a new pan that more than likely wasn't the cause.

[BlueisallIneed]

I am so sorry for the loss of your baby It almost sounds like he could of had a parasite too. I bought a Meller's chameleon from a pet vendor and he claimed he was very healthy and got along great with other animals and they breed them. Turned out, he was snatched from his home in Brazil and was caged with others for a bit until he was put on display like a tee shirt, I feel in love when I saw him and wanted him out of that place asap, he was drinking, eating climbing, and then in 3 days of having him he feel very ill and ended up dying at the vet. Turned out he was infested with parasites and it was too late I was devastated, still am! Moral of this sad story you never know what you are really getting and where they came from! They might look ok (because as a new owner you dont know) and turns out a different story. Now you have the tools to keep your other baby healthy and happy! Good luck hun.

[Bolisnide]

I am so sorry for the loss of your baby It almost sounds like he could of had a parasite too. I bought a Meller's chameleon from a pet vendor and he claimed he was very healthy and got along great with other animals and they breed them. Turned out, he was snatched from his home in Brazil and was caged with others for a bit until he was put on display like a tee shirt, I feel in love when I saw him and wanted him out of that place asap, he was drinking, eating climbing, and then in 3 days of having him he feel very ill and ended up dying at the vet. Turned out he was infested with parasites and it was too late I was devastated, still am! Moral of this sad story you never know what you are really getting and where they came from! They might look ok (because as a new owner you dont know) and turns out a different story. Now you have the tools to keep your other baby healthy and happy! Good luck hun.

I'm so sorry about your chameleon, he was gorgeous!
Thanks for the support, it is greatly apreciatted.

Also wanted to mention to everyone that I found a vet in my area who specializes in amphibians (I'm quite shocked), but I made an appointment to bring in my other frog and have him checked out for parasites just in case.
Thanks again...

[BlueisallIneed]

I'm so sorry about your chameleon, he was gorgeous!
Thanks for the support, it is greatly apreciatted.

Also wanted to mention to everyone that I found a vet in my area who specializes in amphibians (I'm quite shocked), but I made an appointment to bring in my other frog and have him checked out for parasites just in case.
Thanks again...

Thank you! Thats great you found a vet for froggies! I hope they can help your little one!

[MKJ]

Unfortunately yes, teflon, tfal, and other types of coated and high-tech pans and even ovens now that are made with this material, are toxic to not only birds but also amphibians and fish.
There is a lady who lost all her birds, fish,and amphibians in one day, because she used a teflon cookware set. : ( around 30 animals in her household, almost all her fish, amphibians, and birds died that morning when she cooked with the teflon pans. Several different types of amphibians including several different types of frog were lost.

Humans can also be harmed by it, it can send a newborn to the hospital, and in children teens adults and seniors the effects take longer to show but include hormonal issues and cancers.

I got rid of all the teflon, tfal, nonstick, etc. cookware in my house. And my wedding pan set was tfal. I don't want anyone , human or animal, getting sick because of what I choose to use. I put it in the recycling bin to be recycled with the scrap metal, because I don't want someone else picking it up at goodwill and using it and accidently killing their animals or hurting their own or their family's health because of it.

Make sure your oven isn't lined with it, some of the newer ovens are, or the drip pans under your stove burners. Not sure about the smooth top stoves, what material that is and if it is safe or not.

So what kinds of cookware are healthy and safe for humans and pets?
Stainless steel is fine as long as no one has a nickel allergy, pyrex and ceramic are fine, some people like to test older pieces for lead, the test kits for those are reasonably priced and easy to use. Cast iron is a tried and true safe cooking material. For anyone who tends to be anemic in your household (usually women in their fertile years), cast iron used to cook acidic foods like tomato sauce is a great source of natural iron. Men tend not to need as much iron as women, which is why men's multi vitamins are iron free. That's pretty much the list of the only materials safe to cook with for people and pets - stainless steel, ceramic, pyrex, and cast iron. Aluminum and silicone are also no-no's.

Hi guys,
So I've cleaned the viv, changed the water, I think we're good. Froggy seems active this evening and still healthy, so hopefully he didn't get too stressed with all the changes and having to stay in the small critter keeper all day...

Just a passing thought that I wanted to run by you all:
I cooked with a teflon pan yesterday morning and accidentally left the pan on while I did something else; it may have gotten too hot.
Does teflon kill frogs like it does birds? Maybe that's the culprit?