Red eyed tree frog viv

[ViperJr]

Mossy and red eyes are on my list so I read that mossy frogs need a 10 to 20 gl tank is that right? I Like the mossy frogs better but I would like to know if the mossy frogs are easer to keep?

First of all, talking about a tank in gallon really is... suboptimal, if you ask me. Dimensions is the way to go, since different species might have different requierments (as I'm sure you know). BUT, since you only talked in gallons, I might as well share my view on this. I wouldn't put any tree-dwelling frog in a 10 gallon for anything othrr than a temporary quarentine-tank. Even a 20 gallon seems too small in my eyes, especially if you want mossys, since you'll need a large pool area with enough water for them to swim, and with aquatic hiding places. Lastly, mossy are quite much larger than red eyes, increasing their need for space.

Note: I'm assuming that by mossys you are talking about Theloderma corticale . If you are talking about some other theloderma species, I can not help you much.

I have to disagree with you all. I have never known any treefrog to be a poor swimmer. I have never seen one drown, they always manage to climb out of the water without a problem. I once saw a gray treefrog swim to the bottom of my pool just as quickly and easliy as a bullfrog. I have also raised quite a few red-eyes and not a single one had a problem with the water. The red-eye in the banner is one of my babies, as a matter of fact.

Toads, on the other hand....

My "knowledge" are only from articles, books and other texts I've read, which states that they (red eyes) are poor swimmers. However, I've not tried to throw them in a deep pool of water, so I can't say that I've seen them being poor swimmers. Do you have a reference to a study (or similar) that say anything about this? Would really be interesting to read, since this seems to be a topic with a lot of different opinions.

[flybyferns]

First of all, talking about a tank in gallon really is... suboptimal, if you ask me. Dimensions is the way to go, since different species might have different requierments (as I'm sure you know). BUT, since you only talked in gallons, I might as well share my view on this. I wouldn't put any tree-dwelling frog in a 10 gallon for anything othrr than a temporary quarentine-tank. Even a 20 gallon seems too small in my eyes, especially if you want mossys, since you'll need a large pool area with enough water for them to swim, and with aquatic hiding places. Lastly, mossy are quite much larger than red eyes, increasing their need for space.

Note: I'm assuming that by mossys you are talking about Theloderma corticale . If you are talking about some other theloderma species, I can not help you much.



My "knowledge" are only from articles, books and other texts I've read, which states that they (red eyes) are poor swimmers. However, I've not tried to throw them in a deep pool of water, so I can't say that I've seen them being poor swimmers. Do you have a reference to a study (or similar) that say anything about this? Would really be interesting to read, since this seems to be a topic with a lot of different opinions.

Hi All,
This IS a very interesting topic regarding the swimming capabilities of Red Eye Tree Frogs. Maybe a new thread ?

Agalychnis are the only frogs I have ever owned. I have 2 albinos , 3 red red eyes and moreletii. I have raised 5 of my 6 frogs from froglet age.
So, my experience is limited to my current frogs. I purchased my 1st frog as a tiny guy in Aug 2009. I am emphasizing the size of the frog because I think their age makes a difference in how they handle the water. I too have read on several occasions that they "are not good swimmers".
My personal experience:
I have observed that a froglet swims more proficiently than an adult.
My enclosure is 36" wide and 36" tall. ( divided 50/50). ( therefore, an area 18x18 inches with water that is 4 " deep)
I feel as though I have to leave water in it to help maintain the humidity because of the height. When I first set it up in late 2009, I did not have the water covered.
I slowly added my frogs after their quarantine periods with the water uncovered. The water has always been about 4" deep ( filtered and heated)
At the time , I had a bridge ornament, a resin log, and pothos in the water for them to gab onto.
I have personally witnessed everyone of my frogs struggle in the water. Once I found one in the water actually unable to get out ( even w/ all that stuff to grab onto) and as a result was quite stressed.
I found myself checking them all of the time to make sure they were not "in trouble" in the water. So as a result, my water is covered to date with pleix.
Enough water is in the 18x18 covered area to go about 1/4" over the plexi ( which is cut smaller than the opening) . They enjoy soaking on the plexi. (easy maintenance ! )
Because of my experience with water and Red Eyes , I would never leave exposed water over their heads.
Maybe they get used to deeper pools after a while? I would be to worried about them to take a chance!
Lynn