New: Some advice

[CaptainMorgantown]

Both Whites and Golden tree frogs are found in Indonesia, so they are both found on the same continent and are in the same country. The breeder that I bought all of my frogs from told me that he has housed goldens and dumpys together for years and has never had any problems. I asked him if there would be any trouble with putting them with my dumpy, and he said that if they were the same size, there would be no problem. I feed all of my frogs individually, and all of them are eating, none are lethargic.

I am not trying to be a jerk or anything, but the only people that I have heard say not to house frog species together are the people on the internet. I have two friends that own frogs, and they have two different species mixed also and one has had her frogs for years. I just think it's not a big deal as long as you are smart about doing it :/

[1beataway]

I have made some references to a friend of mine who had a few different frogs in a tank. This included some White's and a golden treefrog. There was no aggression towards each other, and it seemed as if there are no problems for a while. However, she did have one get red-leg, and she had to isolate it. Then a few months later, one of her frogs died. I didn't think anything of it until hearing all the good advice on here saying not to mix frogs.

[Kurt]

White's are not found in Asia. Indonesian White's come from Irian Jaya, which is the western half of New Guinea. Goldens may be found Indonesia, but the closest they come to New Guinea is the island of Suluwesi.

Come to the NEWC or the Havard Museum of Comparative Zoology and they will back up what I am saying.

[CaptainMorgantown]

The western half of New Guinea is Indonesia.

Goldens are found in Indonesia and New Guinea:
Common Bush Frog

Whites are found in Indonesia and New Guinea:
White's Tree Frog (Litoria caerulea) Species Profile: Housing, Diet, and Care

I really do care about my frogs and I did my research before I put them with each other, and if the day comes when one or the other two become sick, then I will gladly separate them.

[Rokit]

i was thinking more like red eyed and tiger legged...

[Kurt]

This is the range map for Polypedates leucomystax - http://berkeleymapper.berkeley.edu/r...1&opacity=0.50&

Litoria caerulea - http://berkeleymapper.berkeley.edu/r...1&opacity=0.50&

You will notice that the White's treefrog barely ranges on to New Guinea and that most of it's territory is in the Outback, which is mostly desert. Yes they can be found in tropical rain forest as well, i.e., New Guinea and Cape York, QLD.

As far as Polypedates leucomystax being present on New Guinea, it is an introduced species. Litoria caerulea has been introduced to southern Florida. Would you house green treefrogs, Hyla cinerea with one?

You can either choose to believe me or not. At this point I don't really care, because I know you will do whatever you will do regardless of what I have to say. I have been keeping frogs for a very long time, as well as writing and lecturing about them, I do know what I am talking about.

[CaptainMorgantown]

I'm honestly not trying to offend you or anything. You pretty much said that my opinion was wrong, I know that you didn't say those words, when all I gave at first was my opinion. But you pretty much just proved my original point: Whites and Goldens are found in the same habitat. Yes, some Whites live and thrive in very different conditions, but they CAN live with Golden tree frogs. It's not a crime to put different species together if they don't eat or hurt each other, so please don't act like I'm a cruel person.

Also, when my other Whites tree frog was a baby, I did have him in a tank with a green tree frog, and they are both still alive and well.

[1beataway]

I believe that quite a few frog owners become a little devastated when they find out they should only house one type of frog in each tank. Just like some people would love to stick 30 fish in a tiny tank so it looks good, a lot of people would like to have a few types of frogs in a tank because it will look good. But with all the problems that can erupt, and the possibility of ending up with very sick frogs, and all the horror stories that exist, why risk it?

It may just seem like we're some people on the internet saying not to mix frogs, but several people on here know what they are doing. When you have people who have kept frogs for decades, who have studied them for decades, who have worked for professional institutions that house frogs, and who are respected enough to be asked to lecture or to write articles, etc., then their "opinion" shouldn't be so easily dismissed. Kurt may seem a little harsh in his posts, but at the same time, he is pretty smart.

I'm also not trying to offend anyone, though. It just seems to be a pretty big gamble. CaptainMorgantown, I did notice that you have started several threads asking with help diagnosing problems with your frogs. Your last one even included several people telling you to take the frog to the vet ASAP, and there was no update (by the way, how is your frog doing?). Has nothing so far seemed like a strong enough sickness to separate the frogs? In my friend's mixed tank, all the frogs seemed completely fine for several months (perhaps even over a year), and then suddenly one day, one of them had red-leg. A few months later, a frog was dead. If you're waiting for that, when it does happen, it may be too late to separate and nurse back to health.

Because something can be done does not mean it should be done. Sure, you can put a goldfish in a bowl (or let's be less cruel and say a 10 gallon tank), or a goldfish and tropical fish together in a tank, but it is not the best situation for the pets and is not recommended, even if you likely wouldn't notice any problems for quite awhile.

[CaptainMorgantown]

I'm also not trying to offend anyone, though. It just seems to be a pretty big gamble. CaptainMorgantown, I did notice that you have started several threads asking with help diagnosing problems with your frogs. Your last one even included several people telling you to take the frog to the vet ASAP, and there was no update (by the way, how is your frog doing?). Has nothing so far seemed like a strong enough sickness to separate the frogs? In my friend's mixed tank, all the frogs seemed completely fine for several months (perhaps even over a year), and then suddenly one day, one of them had red-leg. A few months later, a frog was dead. If you're waiting for that, when it does happen, it may be too late to separate and nurse back to health.

Yes, I have had problems with some of my frogs before. I bought two red-eyed tree frogs with their own tank and everything. I had him for about a week when I became concerned that he had not ate yet (the other one seemed to be doing fine), which is when I came here. I waited another week then took him to the vet. It turns out that he had worms, and the vet tried to give him some sort of vitamin medicine while I was there since it had not ate yet. He died about two days later. I ended up selling my other red-eye to (ironically) my vet. I was too nervous about keeping him. Apparently, he ended up dying too, and the vet had two of his own red-eyes before he bought mine. It seems like something that I had no control over since I only had him for about two and a half weeks, if for that long.Now the thing I posted where people told me to take my frog to the vet ASAP was my golden tree frog, but it turns out it was just an ear infection that about a week of taking meds fixed. She is doing better than ever.To answer your question, no. With the frogs that I have housed together, an ear infection does not seem like a major enough problem to separate them. You're making it sound like I have all of these different species in a tiny tank. I have two different species in a 35 gallon custom tank. It's not like they have no room to get away from each other. Also, red-leg is usually caused by a parasite, so I doubt that it was anything related to mixing species if the other frogs did not get it.

Listen, I didn't want to cause a big fuss or anything, and I'm sorry that I even posted on here. If the day comes that any of my frogs die for reasons I cannot explain, then I will gladly admit that I was wrong. I am currently going to veterinarian school, so I'm not some jerk that doesn't know anything about what they are talking about. Admittedly, I knew very little about frogs when I first started keeping them, but over the past few months I have read dozens of books, magazine articles, and different things on the internet. I'm not saying that I am an expert by any means, but I do know what I am doing.

[bntz]

White's are not found in Asia. Indonesian White's come from Irian Jaya, which is the western half of New Guinea. Goldens may be found Indonesia, but the closest they come to New Guinea is the island of Suluwesi.

Come to the NEWC or the Havard Museum of Comparative Zoology and they will back up what I am saying.

Both Whites and Golden tree frogs are found in Indonesia, so they are both found on the same continent and are in the same country. The breeder that I bought all of my frogs from told me that he has housed goldens and dumpys together for years and has never had any problems. I asked him if there would be any trouble with putting them with my dumpy, and he said that if they were the same size, there would be no problem. I feed all of my frogs individually, and all of them are eating, none are lethargic.

I am not trying to be a jerk or anything, but the only people that I have heard say not to house frog species together are the people on the internet. I have two friends that own frogs, and they have two different species mixed also and one has had her frogs for years. I just think it's not a big deal as long as you are smart about doing it :/

I'm honestly not trying to offend you or anything. You pretty much said that my opinion was wrong, I know that you didn't say those words, when all I gave at first was my opinion. But you pretty much just proved my original point: Whites and Goldens are found in the same habitat. Yes, some Whites live and thrive in very different conditions, but they CAN live with Golden tree frogs. It's not a crime to put different species together if they don't eat or hurt each other, so please don't act like I'm a cruel person.

Also, when my other Whites tree frog was a baby, I did have him in a tank with a green tree frog, and they are both still alive and well.

Allright, since I'm from Indonesia I can explain about fauna distributing in Indonesia. They are 3 of fauna distributing region like in the map below



A = Asian Region
B = Shift Asian-Australian Region
C = Australian Region

In Asian region the faunas are similar like in Asia. We can find Asian Elephants tigers, asian rhino and other animal in land of Sumatra. In java there is java rhino and buffalo. In this region there is thick jungle that can support big animal to live. Especially in sumatra and kalimantan (borneo).

In shift asian-australian there is the famous komodo dragon, tarsius and many more. This area are mountains, high ground and scrub like in komodo island.

In australian we can find fauna like in australia, Like Litoria Caerulea, Litoria infrafrenata, GTP (Green Tree Phyton), Blue tongue skink, and kangaroo

hope this will help

[Deku]

Allright, since I'm from Indonesia I can explain about fauna distributing in Indonesia. They are 3 of fauna distributing region like in the map below



A = Asian Region
B = Shift Asian-Australian Region
C = Australian Region

In Asian region the faunas are similar like in Asia. We can find Asian Elephants tigers, asian rhino and other animal in land of Sumatra. In java there is java rhino and buffalo. In this region there is thick jungle that can support big animal to live. Especially in sumatra and kalimantan (borneo).

In shift asian-australian there is the famous komodo dragon, tarsius and many more. This area are mountains, high ground and scrub like in komodo island.

In australian we can find fauna like in australia, Like Litoria Caerulea, Litoria infrafrenata, GTP (Green Tree Phyton), Blue tongue skink, and kangaroo

hope this will help

Really? I didnt know any of that. When I thought of india I thought of jungles yes. But I didnt think aussie, or asia. Though india is technically part of asia. But you know what I mean. I thought there would be animals that are only native to india weird. Are they introduced animals perhaps? Well whatever this is, Iam learning new stuff daily. Lol. Now if I could only see places like india, madagascar, columbia, argentina, etc. Places that have alot of fauna would be nice. Id be exploring trying to catch animals then releasing them. I sometimes catch frogs where I live to look at them momentairly and then release em within 5minutes of staring at them. I think they call this "herping".