Swollen leg update, need advice!!

[Mentat]

If the edema is localized around rear legs and light touch result in a wave like skin movement; it's probably Kidney/Lymph Heart damage from chronic exposure to low temps .

[monster]

Hi guys thanks for all the advice. Now im freaking out second guessing everything. If something sounds off about the vet im telling you everything she said to me and that's why I came here for advice. I wasn't sure if I got the right diagnoses so wanted to see what people thought on here. IM knew to the frog world. LIja I honestly don't know what happened, I have had my temps and stuff correct since I got her back in august and I have had nothing but problems with the pooping and now this. I try to take care of my pets like they were my kids, and I just feel lost now. When I got her she was not being housed in the proper environment. I will take some pics in abit and post them. Oh and now that I know this cant be diagnosed without blood work I will be calling the vet tomorrow and I will be asking some questions and I hope someone has some answers.

[DVirginiana]

If the edema is localized around rear legs and light touch result in a wave like skin movement; it's probably Kidney/Lymph Heart damage from chronic exposure to low temps .

Makes sense.

[monster]

Here are a few pics. Its her left side.

[Mentat]

So it's swollen more on left side . Does it moves like waves when you touch it? Is there any evidence of edema on right rear leg?

[Lija]

Cory, please dont take it the wrong way, im not criticizing or saying you were doing smth wrong, im just trying to collect history data to get sense of what's going on. It doesn't adds up for me. If you were keeping her in spot on everything, temps, humidity, supplementing proper foods and changing substrate in correct intervals smth else is going on. If it is renal failure due to her previous keeping conditions it would have happen long ago, not 4 months later, and on both sides evenly, however as Carlos pointed out location of edema would suggest renal problems, so we can't rule it out yet. That type of renal failure can also happen due to infection, not nessesarly low temps.

So im thinking.... Infection? Parasites? Digestion problems? Reaction to smth in the environment?
and looking at these last pics... What is it she is sitting on?
Have you done fecal testing?
how long it's going on, how she is eating/pooping during that period? How did she do that before? You mentioned she goes in water baths only, q - what are you feeding, how supplementing

Ill look up your other thread tomorrow, gotta go sleep now, but be back tomorrow.

and if you are going to call the vet, can you ask if she can ask a lab to make a hypertonic amphibian solution for you, and how much will it cost, I'll get a recipe for you if needed.

[monster]

Hi again lija, she is sitting on a towel and now that I think of it that probably isn't all that great. I have only done this a couple times for pictures thinking it was better then putting her right on the table. Never really thought of it until u just asked, but I will stop. That was serious brain fart on my part, should have known better. And now that I have calmed down abit, I have a sick frog, sick dog with allergies and both kids got the flu l.o.l and have been able to think there was an incident me and carlos I believe had a conversation about last week. I had a feeding incident a couple months back were she grabed the end of the tongs and me being new went to pull the tongs away and she held on. When she let go she fell about six inches into her water dish. She honestly seemed fine afterwards so I thought nothing of it. Sorry this wasn't mentioned earlier just have a lot on my mind. When I first got her I got my vet for my dog to send a fecal sample out to the lab she uses and it came back negative for parasites. She said she doesn't do reptiles and amphibians but the fecal test she could help me on. I asked her if the lab would know what its looking for and she said yes, they deal with reptile and amphibians just she didn't. The vet I went to on Friday looked at some stool and said she couldn't see anything but im starting to not trust her opinion. I feed her nightcrawlers and a couple small horns during the month, 1 hornworm every couple weeks. She wont eat crickets and I don't know what else to give her, is that ok for food? When I first got her I fed her everyday for the first month, I would do calcium and d3 one night, no supplements the next then calcium with d3 and then the multivitamin on Friday or the weekend then back to the start. Then I fed her every second day with the same schedule just with 2 day inbetween. For about the last month and a half its been every 3 days. Now it goes calciumand d3, then nothing andthenthe multivitamin. She is still eating and moving around and she feels soft and squishy. And Lija I know u weren't criticizing me and if it came of that way im sorry, Im just very tired and frustrated. And yes I will ask for that prescription forsure. And it was swimminsteve I had the converstion with, it wasn't carlos. I need some sleep!!

[DVirginiana]

If this were the result of an injury, I'd expect to see some sign that the frog was injured before months had passed. This may be the result of something that was done, or your frog could just be unlucky; not every disease has a definite cause we can pinpoint.

[Lija]

No, if it's injury edema would have happened right after or in a few days max, not 2 months later.
parasites are negative, you can trust that one, it's ether here or not, can't really miss it.
Feeding, supplementing - ok.

Okay, can you please take some more pictures, more clear ones, including underbelly and back legs. Please describe :
how long it is going on, how have you noticed? Is there any changes in edema over the duration of the problem, got bigger/smaller/same? Did anything else changed - behaviour, eating, pooping. Do you see that it influenced her in any way- harder to move?
The q you didnt answer - how often do you clean the tank? How often do you change the water, type of water?

You were saying she goes only in water bath, would you please describe how does it look like exactly - water? How long? Temp? How often? Does she goes on her own while in a bath or you massage her sides?

another question - can you try to feel her sides? Left? And right? Don't squish her much, but just try to feel inside, gently! What you feel, pls describe.

as of now I'm going with localized infection, possibly in digestive tract ( not pooping on her own very often lead to enlargement of the colon and consequitive infection, and vise versa, not pooping in her own often is related to anatomical structure of the colon, when it is enlarged). the location of the edema ( left side) is also suggesting that.
I doubt it's a renal problem. With any kidney or any other systemic problem edema is happening evenly on both sides, here we see very clearly differentiated left side, not so much the right one. Is it how it is? Or it just looks like it on the pics?

[monster]

Good morning, just wanted to let the people that have been helping the last couple days with lillypad that I have found another herp vet close to were I live and im bringing her in today. This vet has 30 years experience with herps and exotic pets. Fingers crossed and I will let u know later what the diagnoses is. OH and lija I just seen your post from today and I will answer when I get back from the vet.