UVB Lighting- An Absolute Essential For WTFS?

[Lija]

Think it's better we leave any concepts from FB, Wikipedia, YouTube, Twitter, etc. in their perspective locations. To have cross media discussions based on he/she said is kind of crazy .

One thing constantly see in these discussions, is that many supporters of supposedly needed UVB for frogs are quick to point out scientific research and papers that support it. However, not once have anyone provided a link to one single reference research paper with supporting experimental data. Just saying !

Lol carlos!

I saw a research data, will look for it, but it was done for dart frogs.

some frogs ( waxies) need high percentage uvb, others not, as long as food is properly supplemented.

its really weird thing for uvb, usually you see people who swear by using UVB, others yell about the opposite. Both sides are ready to kill each other to prove each other wrong. The problem is that nobody did a scientific study for tree frogs. I did see one done for darts though as I said, will try to locate it.

the best is to try to think how these frogs live in a wild, do they get UVB, or perhaps full spectrum and go with that.

Found it! Here you go https://aark.portal.isis.org/researc...tamin%20d3.pdf

[Bombina Bob]

Many species of frogs have been raised and bred living a long life with the absence of UV light. UVB isn't necessary but it's beneficial as well.

[irThumper]

Lol carlos!

I saw a research data, will look for it, but it was done for dart frogs.

some frogs ( waxies) need high percentage uvb, others not, as long as food is properly supplemented.

its really weird thing for uvb, usually you see people who swear by using UVB, others yell about the opposite. Both sides are ready to kill each other to prove each other wrong. The problem is that nobody did a scientific study for tree frogs. I did see one done for darts though as I said, will try to locate it.

the best is to try to think how these frogs live in a wild, do they get UVB, or perhaps full spectrum and go with that.

Found it! Here you go https://aark.portal.isis.org/researc...tamin%20d3.pdf

It does exist!!!

[Mentat]

Lol carlos! I saw a research data, will look for it, but it was done for dart frogs. ...Found it! Here you go https://aark.portal.isis.org/researchguide/amphibian%20zoo%20studies/amphibian%20uv-b%20and%20vitamin%20d3.pdf

Hi Lija! The article you linked is a summary of information the authors found and a proposal of ways to conduct related research; but there is no experimental research conducted by authors that provides a backbone for anyone to state frogs need UVB and if so; how much?

What I'm looking for is a report of actual scientific experimentation in a laboratory. Research with control subjects and statistical analysis; that either supports or not a hypothesis based in the need for UVB light exposure for any frog species. Maybe the authors or others have conducted experiments after this article release? Thank you !

[Frogfeet123]

Like Ryan said, I've heard it's not necessary but is beneficial. I use one for mine. C

[LilyPad]

I used UVB lighting for my greys for the first 3 years that I had them. Over the summer, I switched to LED lighting instead and have seen absolutely no change in their behaviors. It leads me to believe that it's not really necessary and the supplements they get are sufficient for good health.

[teslas intern]

At the very least can we not do a poll on here for long term frog keepers and see who is using the UV lights, and how long their frogs are living?

[Lija]

Lol carlos, that's the best I can do

seriuosly though. For a tree frogs I wouldn't bother with uvb, unless for waxies, but uvb is used in treating MBD, in vet literature it's also reccomended that uvb to be used for 2-4 hours a day during a period of rapid growth for all very fast growing frogs (except albinos) as profilactic measure. My thinking is if to use proper food and it's properly supplemented UVB not needed for most frogs.

I'm using uvb in my zoo only for breeding cresties, agricolae and pyxie. Everybody else is just fine without UVB.

to be also noted to the best of my knowledge, UVB bulbs need to be replaced every 6 months.

[Mentat]

Sorry Lija; not trying to be a PITA . It's just that many persons make the most outrageous claims and pull a non-existing scientific reference out of thin air to back their statements. As a trained scientist (BS in Botany and MS in Phycology); find that very annoying .

You are breeding Pixies as in Geckoes or GABFs?