2 new builds, primary is 12x12x18

[DigitalPunk]

Hey, late to this thread. Been lurking but have failed to respond.

- Leca - Be sure to hide a tube (PVC works great) in the spray foam background so you can syphon water out of the drainage layer. It will make your life a lot easier as time goes on. You can then stick a small tube down the PVC pipe with a sponge on the end of it and syphon the water out. Leca is usually recommended to be 1 - 2in, but you need to be careful with the small tank height that you don't chew up 4 or 5 inches of space with the substrate. You will also need to keep in mind that if you are going to do a small pond the Leca layer will need to be a bit higher than the top of the waterline to keep the water from swamping the soil. I would recommend against a water feature in the tank to conserver space, but that is just my 2 cents.

- Lighting - 9W for a 12x12 should be plenty.

- Spray Foam - Keep in mind it will expand so be careful how thick you lay it on. Anything you do will shrink the usable floor space for your little frogs. Keep in mind if you add 1 to 2 inches to the back wall you have reduced the floor to a 10x12 square. If you then do a 1 to 2 inch water feature then you will be left with a 8x12 square. If you add foam to the sides you could end up with a 8x8 square which is to small for even thumbnail frogs. You could consider doing a planted terrarium and using some wood to create hight and tie bromeliads to them.

- The Mistking will be a huge overkill to the tank. I love my mistaking, but in a true dart frog tank with near 0% ventilation the humidity will stay high and you will really only be misting to keep the plants growing. I use a hand mister on my Dart tank and my Mantella tank. The humidity in both stays very high all the time so misting them once in the morning and once right before lights out is perfect.

- Wood - I love the wood selection at NEHERP Give them a look. Ghost Wood, Manzanati, Malaysian Driftwood, and Cork Bark all hold up in high humidity. Grapevine is awful and should be avoided in humid tanks. They will mold very quickly. Cork bark will develop white mold nearly instantly, but it is normal and will clear up after a few days. The Driftwood is by far my favorite.

- Heating - There are a lot of options out there. My Favorite is now using Aquatic heaters, but in your setup a Ceramic Heat emitter will work great. It doesn't dry out the air, provides 24/7 heat without generating any light, and are cost efficient to use. You can use them in conjunction with Zoo Med Hydrotherm.

Sorry for the information overload. I'll answer any questions you have that I can and can't wait to see how the build turns out!

Paul

[p51mustang23]

First of all, thanks for the response. I'm going to chop your quote up in order to respond. Everything I write is just me trying to give you my thought process.

Hey, late to this thread. Been lurking but have failed to respond.

- Leca - Be sure to hide a tube (PVC works great) in the spray foam background so you can syphon water out of the drainage layer. It will make your life a lot easier as time goes on. You can then stick a small tube down the PVC pipe with a sponge on the end of it and syphon the water out. Leca is usually recommended to be 1 - 2in, but you need to be careful with the small tank height that you don't chew up 4 or 5 inches of space with the substrate. You will also need to keep in mind that if you are going to do a small pond the Leca layer will need to be a bit higher than the top of the waterline to keep the water from swamping the soil. I would recommend against a water feature in the tank to conserver space, but that is just my 2 cents.

I was thinking that if there was a small water feature in front, then I would be able to easily siphon water directly out from there. No space sacrificed for PVC running the full height of the tank behind foam. Will this work? I've also seen people put short PVC pipes under a piece of moss in the front, so as to use less space. I'm looking at imitators at the moment which is another reason reason I thought I could sacrifice some floor space, as they like to climb.

- Spray Foam - Keep in mind it will expand so be careful how thick you lay it on. Anything you do will shrink the usable floor space for your little frogs. Keep in mind if you add 1 to 2 inches to the back wall you have reduced the floor to a 10x12 square. If you then do a 1 to 2 inch water feature then you will be left with a 8x12 square. If you add foam to the sides you could end up with a 8x8 square which is to small for even thumbnail frogs. You could consider doing a planted terrarium and using some wood to create hight and tie bromeliads to them.

How thin can I get the spray foam? Ideally I'd like to go real thin, but I've heard it expands like crazy. Could I get it .5 - .75"? If I get going and it looks too small I'll certainly forgo covering any of the sides.

- The Mistking will be a huge overkill to the tank. I love my mistaking, but in a true dart frog tank with near 0% ventilation the humidity will stay high and you will really only be misting to keep the plants growing. I use a hand mister on my Dart tank and my Mantella tank. The humidity in both stays very high all the time so misting them once in the morning and once right before lights out is perfect.

I'm concerned about humidity dropping if I'm away for more than a day. Assuming I will have the viv 98% airtight, what would happen if I didn't mist for 2 days? I can also guarantee I won't hand mist weekday mornings. Maybe I can put the mist king off until I decide to build another viv, and hand spray for now.

Eventually I'd like to do 3 12x12x18's, with 2 18x18x24's underneath on a custom shelf of some sort, all on a mistking. I tend to get carried away .

- Heating - There are a lot of options out there. My Favorite is now using Aquatic heaters, but in your setup a Ceramic Heat emitter will work great. It doesn't dry out the air, provides 24/7 heat without generating any light, and are cost efficient to use. You can use them in conjunction with Zoo Med Hydrotherm.

How do these ceramic heaters work? It looks like they go into a light fixture, would it work with the clamp lamp I have buried in my basement? Will an undertank heat mat work? If so I'd prefer that just because its less visible. This tank will sit on my desk for the immediate future, so it will be a real display piece and i don't want it covered in unnecessary gadgets.

Sorry for the information overload. I'll answer any questions you have that I can and can't wait to see how the build turns out!

Paul

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[DigitalPunk]

I responded in red below.

First of all, thanks for the response. I'm going to chop your quote up in order to respond. Everything I write is just me trying to give you my thought process.



I was thinking that if there was a small water feature in front, then I would be able to easily siphon water directly out from there. No space sacrificed for PVC running the full height of the tank behind foam. Will this work? I've also seen people put short PVC pipes under a piece of moss in the front, so as to use less space. I'm looking at imitators at the moment which is another reason reason I thought I could sacrifice some floor space, as they like to climb.

That could work too The main thing is to think about getting water out of th drainage layer is needed


How thin can I get the spray foam? Ideally I'd like to go real thin, but I've heard it expands like crazy. Could I get it .5 - .75"? If I get going and it looks too small I'll certainly forgo covering any of the sides.

Spray foam can be very thin. If it gets to thick you can use an old streak knife to carve on it after it dries.

I'm concerned about humidity dropping if I'm away for more than a day. Assuming I will have the viv 98% airtight, what would happen if I didn't mist for 2 days? I can also guarantee I won't hand mist weekday mornings. Maybe I can put the mist king off until I decide to build another viv, and hand spray for now.

You will know after the tank is up and running for a week or 2 how long you can go between mistings. If you are going to be gone for a couple days you need to also consider how and what will the frogs be eating while you are away.

Eventually I'd like to do 3 12x12x18's, with 2 18x18x24's underneath on a custom shelf of some sort, all on a mistking. I tend to get carried away .

At that point a Mistking would make total sense. You could use one on the 12x12, it would just be an over kill and you would need to play with the timer settings to make sure you down flood the tank.

How do these ceramic heaters work? It looks like they go into a light fixture, would it work with the clamp lamp I have buried in my basement? Will an undertank heat mat work? If so I'd prefer that just because its less visible. This tank will sit on my desk for the immediate future, so it will be a real display piece and i don't want it covered in unnecessary gadgets.

Yeah they go in a light fixture or clamp lamp type thing. If it is going on your desk I would use an under tank heater, but put it on the back of the tank so it doesn't block your view

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