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    if you have a filter you should be fine, that should be able to house all the bb necessary.
    I know people swear by Prime, but I don't think it detoxifies nitrite. From my knowledge it "detoxifies" ammonia by insuring all ammonia gets converted into ammonium, which is less toxic than ammonia, however 99% of that ammonia is already ammonium naturally in your tank. I've never used prime, so I could be wrong, but my method is always to do a waterchange whenever a toxin gets too high in a tank instead of relying on chemicals whose claims I don't know how to verify.
    Definitely do a waterchange if your nitrites reach toxic levels, there's no point in speeding up your cycling if your inhabitants don't survive the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carsona246 View Post
    if you have a filter you should be fine, that should be able to house all the bb necessary.
    I know people swear by Prime, but I don't think it detoxifies nitrite. From my knowledge it "detoxifies" ammonia by insuring all ammonia gets converted into ammonium, which is less toxic than ammonia, however 99% of that ammonia is already ammonium naturally in your tank. I've never used prime, so I could be wrong, but my method is always to do a waterchange whenever a toxin gets too high in a tank instead of relying on chemicals whose claims I don't know how to verify.
    Definitely do a waterchange if your nitrites reach toxic levels, there's no point in speeding up your cycling if your inhabitants don't survive the process.
    Definitely. Right now the nitrite is sitting at the edge of being unsafe so I will probably do a partial water change tomorrow. Take out about 10% and replace it with 10% and see if that detoxes the tank. If not I'll probably do a larger one.

    Also with the substrate, I thought BB grows on pretty much every surface, and I do have a fair amount of decorations/silk plants!
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    Just an update:

    I am still using Prime and Stability, but it looks like you can get false readings while using Prime and it can not really distinguish "bound" from free nitrites. With the combination of Prime and Stability my filter really should be able to eat it up.
    I have also heard that during cycling nitrites are usually the most annoying to level out. As in, one moment they are way too high, then the next day they are pretty much gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elliotulysses View Post
    Just an update:

    I am still using Prime and Stability, but it looks like you can get false readings while using Prime and it can not really distinguish "bound" from free nitrites. With the combination of Prime and Stability my filter really should be able to eat it up.
    I have also heard that during cycling nitrites are usually the most annoying to level out. As in, one moment they are way too high, then the next day they are pretty much gone.
    I don't know about Stability but testing your water after using Prime will give you a false positive on Ammonia every time. I personally have never found any levels of Nitrite in my tanks however from using Prime. I find it best to jump-start all new tanks using existing filter media and I even run tanks with 2-3 filters on them to have an extra filter on hand to jump start a new tank if necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpmistr View Post
    I don't know about Stability but testing your water after using Prime will give you a false positive on Ammonia every time. I personally have never found any levels of Nitrite in my tanks however from using Prime. I find it best to jump-start all new tanks using existing filter media and I even run tanks with 2-3 filters on them to have an extra filter on hand to jump start a new tank if necessary.
    Right now I'm just running one filter, though I would like to have run more. I tried looking for pre-set sponge filters, only to find none at my pet store.
    Ideally I'd get Seachem's matrix and put it in a biobag into my filter, however it's been difficult to go out lately (I dont have a car and the bus system is terrible!). I'm beginning to think that ordering online may be better!

    Also is matrix or other products like that are what you mean by filter media? I mean, I have a friend with HUGE goldfish that are very healthy so I thought to ask her for some gravel or a used filter pad, however I have heard that goldfish are bad feeders because of the bacteria they usually carry. Do you think that using some of her "media" would help the process a bit or is it too risky?
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    You'll have to become careful on how many filters you do add,
    Too much water flow in the tank Will make it so the frog can't rest and stress it out.

    Yes I recommend you getting a used filter from your friend or some gravel wrapped up in some nylon hose or cheesecloth and put that in your tank.That's what's commonly known as seeing bacteria.
    The only problem with feeder goldfishes that they carry parasites and you really don't want to feed those to your frog.
    As far as the bacteria that's not so much of an issue.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Charles Bruckner View Post
    You'll have to become careful on how many filters you do add,
    Too much water flow in the tank Will make it so the frog can't rest and stress it out.

    Yes I recommend you getting a used filter from your friend or some gravel wrapped up in some nylon hose or cheesecloth and put that in your tank.That's what's commonly known as seeing bacteria.
    The only problem with feeder goldfishes that they carry parasites and you really don't want to feed those to your frog.
    As far as the bacteria that's not so much of an issue.
    I run extra filters on my fish tanks not my frog tanks. I use a canister filter on my frog tank and it works perfectly fine, it is healthy to have some flow in your tank otherwise you will wind up with dead pockets and bluegreen algae.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carsona246 View Post
    if you have a filter you should be fine, that should be able to house all the bb necessary.
    I know people swear by Prime, but I don't think it detoxifies nitrite. From my knowledge it "detoxifies" ammonia by insuring all ammonia gets converted into ammonium, which is less toxic than ammonia, however 99% of that ammonia is already ammonium naturally in your tank. I've never used prime, so I could be wrong, but my method is always to do a waterchange whenever a toxin gets too high in a tank instead of relying on chemicals whose claims I don't know how to verify.
    Definitely do a waterchange if your nitrites reach toxic levels, there's no point in speeding up your cycling if your inhabitants don't survive the process.
    I contacted the Seachem support group through email and they basically said to do a water change then wait a bit before adding stability. They also pointed out that some tanks take longer to cycle than others.

    But thanks a lot! Again, the community here is really great and full of kind, knowledgable people.
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