WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEO - Someone feeds a chameleon to a pyxie frog

[Truffs1178]

There is actually already a thread on this forum about that video.

http://www.frogforum.net/african-bul...chameleon.html

It's quite sad really, still though I had forgotten about that video so thanks for posting it again.

[poison]

There is actually already a thread on this forum about that video.

www.frogforum.net/african-bullfrogs/5554-guy-feeds-his-pixie-chameleon.html

It's quite sad really, still though I had forgotten about that video so thanks for posting it again.

I agree with that "poison beauties" guy. The guy did go about it wrong and he himself may be a sick person just for trying to get a reaction from people. But I don't see anything wrong about feeding chams or any other common species as feeders. And this is coming from someone who has owned chams (have a young one now) and other reptiles in the past.

[GrifTheGreat]

There are many feeders available rather than offering a Chameleon to your frog, BUT given the chance most highly predacious species of frog would willingly accept it as food. Not a common food source, but a whole meal in one nonetheless.

I myself would not use them as a feeded, but it adds much needed variety.

[Truffs1178]

I read the comments, he was sick of it because it didn't grow. Here is a quote from one of his comments:

"@CBGReptilez because the previous owner didn't give it correct uvb so it never grew. the chameleon in this video was well over 6 months old, and veiled chameleons should be adults in that time. so i got sick of it not growing and having a ****ty life so i decided to put it down"

Poison, I agree with you but the guy you agree with says it's the natural food chain, it isn't the natural food chain because I bet YEMEN chameleons don't come across AFRICAN bullfrogs in the wild very often.

I also have a cham.

[Baloo]

I remember seeing this. I think the guy claimed he got the chameleon when it was sickly and he alleges he did this out of compassion because of its unhealthiness. Probably BS.

[Cap10Squirty]

pretty sure that was a pygmy cham. Expensive "snack". All morals aside and i'm sure some of you wont agree with me, but have you have ever watched the discovery channel? This is nature. Why is the cham's life worth more than a cricket or a roach etc? I feed my snakes mice, is that wrong of me?

I don't have to watch TV to understand nature after spending the majority of my life living and traveling throughout the South Pacific. I have, however, watched the discovery channel. It usually catches my attention when nothing else is on My younger brother's feed their snakes African soft furs. I feed my monitor baby rabbits and rats (which are fairly cute) and about a dozen different invertebrates. I wouldn't hesitate offering it anoles and even an occasional garden variety snake that gets too close to my house.

Just curious, but are the "lowly" insects worth less as a life because they are smaller or have a smaller brain, do not possess cognitive thought, don't look "cute", etc...

Lowly as in humble, common, and not exotic compared to what is traditionally an expensive and exotic animal (a chameleon).

Anyway, I did not realize the story behind this guy's video....still, he's pretty bold for putting it out there knowing that its unusual especially when you are in control of "Nature" as far as what you offer to an animal in captivity.

[SweetApples]

Some thoughts on this subject. Often I've pondered the issue of which animals are acceptable to raise for food. If you are going to keep carnivores, then some kind of choice needs to made concerning what kind of animal you'll be raising and killing( or paying someone else to raise and kill for you).

If you can buy a piglet to feed to your snake, why can't you buy a kitten or puppy to feed to your snake?. Why is feeding a cat to a snake animal cruelty?. Who decided that a cat was a companion animal with a special status and a pig was not.
Millions of surplus dogs and cats are already being euthanized.

This person's attitude does bother me. I don't like the idea that a person has a pet reptile and when they are tired of taking care of their pet, they feed their pet to another pet. However one feels about the morality of which animals are acceptable to feed to another animal, this is a troubling way to view an animal you've kept as a pet. It seems they hold the viewpoint that when they no longer want a certain pet, it's acceptable to kill them. I wonder if they at least tried to find the unwanted chameleon a new home, probably not.

I don't like the idea of giving a pet improper care and then killing them because of that improper care. Seems like a convenient way out of giving your pets proper care. If the pet gets sick due to improper care, you won't correct the care or attempt to treat them, you'll kill the pet.

[Cap10Squirty]

SweetApples, I think you used the words I have been trying to find in this matter. What happens when that frog gets sick and dies of improper care, such as being left to a cesspool of a water dish (it could have just been real dirty from the substrate but you never know). Would it be ok to instead of trying to find a reasonable solution, let his pet dog chew on the frog until it dies?

Obviously I'm extrapolating a little bit here, but I agree it seems like this individual didn't exhaust his options which made it all the more easier to pick it up by tweezers and allow the frog to make a meal out of it.

[elliotulysses]

Some thoughts on this subject. Often I've pondered the issue of which animals are acceptable to raise for food. If you are going to keep carnivores, then some kind of choice needs to made concerning what kind of animal you'll be raising and killing( or paying someone else to raise and kill for you).

If you can buy a piglet to feed to your snake, why can't you buy a kitten or puppy to feed to your snake?. Why is feeding a cat to a snake animal cruelty?. Who decided that a cat was a companion animal with a special status and a pig was not.
Millions of surplus dogs and cats are already being euthanized.

This person's attitude does bother me. I don't like the idea that a person has a pet reptile and when they are tired of taking care of their pet, they feed their pet to another pet. However one feels about the morality of which animals are acceptable to feed to another animal, this is a troubling way to view an animal you've kept as a pet. It seems they hold the viewpoint that when they no longer want a certain pet, it's acceptable to kill them. I wonder if they at least tried to find the unwanted chameleon a new home, probably not.

I don't like the idea of giving a pet improper care and then killing them because of that improper care. Seems like a convenient way out of giving your pets proper care. If the pet gets sick due to improper care, you won't correct the care or attempt to treat them, you'll kill the pet.

I think pigs should be placed higher up than that! Usually when people have a preference of a sort of animal, but think it's fine killing another, is just recognizing neurological differences. For example, a pig's brain is MUCH more developed than a hamster. Just as a dog is more intelligent than a rabbit.

However, I think we are all children of the earth, and should mind these matters with respect for both animals.

[poison]

You guys do realize it is illegal to kill dogs and cats right (unless of course you are a shelter and a license)? So I don't see argument is valid, no offence. Pigs on the other hand are 100% legal to kill for food.

[Hellsrage]

What what does in that video I do not agree with, live feedings I'm fine with but that wasn't "natural" for reasons already stated.

This is a purely personal point though, my main problem is that it was recorded and his reasoning for doing it. If someone bred something similar as a food source and did it in private I really don't think I'd care much, I wouldn't breed Chameleons for that purpose but as long as the person is breeding them with a certain intent, I'm fine with it. But killing something off because your couldn't care for it properly is just wrong, and then you go and record it? No. That's just disturbing to me.