Jamie My Cranwelli

[Hypnotic]

Yeah but Truffs, why are you recommending a nocturnal pet to someone who clearly wants a diurnal pet? The enclosure doesn't need to be as large for a pygmy bearded dragon and honestly, the upkeep isn't that hard.
It's less work then a pacman frog, all you need are 2-3 heatsources and a UVB lamp, some decoration, sand and food and water bowl.
Yes, they do need a variety of food, but lets face it, if we take proper care of our animals, they all do.
My crestes gecko is fed redrunners, CGD and crickets. My tarantula is fed, dubias, redrunners ,crickets and locusts. Don't even get me started on the pacmans or prairiedog.
Even my French bulldog gets kibble, meat, rice and other things.

[Truffs1178]

I recommended a few species not just nocturnal ones. I'm just trying to help him think of a pet he won't get bored of.

[Truffs1178]

It's less work then a pacman frog

I agree with everything you said except for that statement. The mere fact that it needs more heat, UVB and a bigger enclosure means its already more work setting up the enclosure. Then on top of that Rankins Dragons cost more than ornates and cranwellis. UVB must be changed twice a year to ensure the animal receives maximum UVB as the gases burn out inside UVB bulbs over time. It costs more electricity to run the lighting and heating equipment for a dragon than a pacman because it needs higher temperatures. Rankins dragons also like to climb so even though its not necessary if you care enough and are willing to pay the extra then you can give them a lot more decor.

Like I said I agree with everything you said but that statement was a bit exaggerated I think.

Edit:Just thought I'd also mention Rankins need a more varied diet than a pacman frog. They also eat vegetables and leafy greens. When fully grown their diet should consist of 50-75% variet plant matter as well as insects being the other 25%.

If you do get a reptile get bulbs by Arcadia. They are a German company and spend a lot on UVB lighting research.

[Hypnotic]

I'l talking about enclosure maintenance, not setting it up. The electricity bill is handled by his parents, and countered by that is the amount of water pacmans require. So that's out.
Vegetables aren't exactly pricey. I bet I could feed a bearded dragon cheaper in a week then I could a pacman frog, and note, I'm not discussing self bred feeders, for that I can counter argument with home grown vegetables.
My big girl eats for about 7€ a week, feeding leafy greens, you can do under that price a week. Also, what family doesn't cook these days? There are always leftover vegetables or fruit in every home. But the same can be said for cockroaches in some homes.
The UVB needs to be changed twice a year, And I would also recommend Arcadia.
He's made it clear in past posts with me that he has a job, or is looking for one and that his parents support him financially when regarding pets. So I'm more worried about him picking a pet that's right for him then crunching numbers down to a cent.

[Truffs1178]

I agree with you but I still think pacmans are easier to care for than dragons and nothing will change my mind as I have both pacman and a dragon species. Here is a picture of my beardie so you can see for yourself how healthy she is and how well looked after. Also 7€ = £5.90 and the beardie eats about £10(11.86€) or more a week so I guess he could afford it because they arnt that expensive since rankins are smaller.

Plus electricity costs a lot more than water does, we'll at least where I live so that doesn't counter it out.

Do you actually think pacmans are harder to take care of than dragons?

[Hypnotic]

Yes, because of all the messing with eco-earth mainly. Sand is so easy to maintain, you are also stuck having to clean your hands each time, putting the frog in a temporary enclosure, while my friend just lets his dragon roam the living room while he cleans. Also, he only scrubs out the terrarium if the dirt touches the bottom layer, but he maintains daily so it's rarely. He's done in half the time I am cleaning his enclosure. We have to clean it each time, because of the humidity levels and how dirty the glass gets, while he can just vacuum up his sand and if the bottom is spiffy clean, add new sand to it.

[COOCOpUcHoo]

Hey guys I am back from a long day of school. Truff, there is a differemce between the beardies and dwarf/pygmy beardies. Dwarves are smaller and will require a smaller amount of food, a smaller terrarium, and slightly lower temperatures. I am going to a reptile expo 2 days after my birthday (expo is on September 15th) I might actually sell my pacman there if needed. The whole pygmy bearded dragon thing has got me pretty hyped for a reptile. My friend has a beardie and it follows him around and chases him when he walks by the enclosure. Sometimes when he eats in front of him, his beardie will go. To the food bowl and munch on some pellets. Are rankin dragons as interactive as pygmy beardies? I haven't yet looked at or researched anything about the rankin dragons, but I am currently looking for a good forum and care sheet for pygmy dragons.

danfrog
I do believe I have made some changes that were wanted other than the fact that I am not using a UTH on the side of the enclosure.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL THE ADVICE AND HELP

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[Truffs1178]

Yes, because of all the messing with eco-earth mainly. Sand is so easy to maintain, you are also stuck having to clean your hands each time, putting the frog in a temporary enclosure, while my friend just lets his dragon roam the living room while he cleans. Also, he only scrubs out the terrarium if the dirt touches the bottom layer, but he maintains daily so it's rarely. He's done in half the time I am cleaning his enclosure. We have to clean it each time, because of the humidity levels and how dirty the glass gets, while he can just vacuum up his sand and if the bottom is spiffy clean, add new sand to it.

Mate I'm not arguing I'm just stating my opinion and I hope that's what you are doing too because I don't want an argument.Do you have any reptiles?

[Truffs1178]

Hey guys I am back from a long day of school. Truff, there is a differemce between the beardies and dwarf/pygmy beardies. Dwarves are smaller and will require a smaller amount of food, a smaller terrarium, and slightly lower temperatures. I am going to a reptile expo 2 days after my birthday (expo is on September 15th) I might actually sell my pacman there if needed. The whole pygmy bearded dragon thing has got me pretty hyped for a reptile. My friend has a beardie and it follows him around and chases him when he walks by the enclosure. Sometimes when he eats in front of him, his beardie will go. To the food bowl and munch on some pellets. Are rankin dragons as interactive as pygmy beardies? I haven't yet looked at or researched anything about the rankin dragons, but I am currently looking for a good forum and care sheet for pygmy dragons.

danfrog
I do believe I have made some changes that were wanted other than the fact that I am not using a UTH on the side of the enclosure.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR ALL THE ADVICE AND HELP

Sent from my DROID4 using Tapatalk 2

Rankins are pygmy beardies. Care-wise there isn't really much difference except for enclosure size. Each species also looks slightly different.

[Hypnotic]

Yes, that's what I was doing aswell and I think this topic is quite informative for COOCOpUcHoo. Right now, I still own a crested gecko, I've had 2 more. I've also had to luxury to take care of a few snakes and a ton of other pets in the stores I worked in. My favourite of all time is the tree python and the dwarf caiman, but I wouldn't recommend them to anyone unless severely experienced. I still have a scar on my knuckle from that caiman and that was 11 years ago.

[nok1888]

No animal will behave the way you want it to. This is why kids shouldn't get pets.

Just to let you know, Beardies can live 12+ years and snakes 20+ years and I know someone with a Royal Python that's 43 years old, are you ready for that kind of commitment? What happens when you want to leave for college or uni


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2.0 Border Collies - Jinky and Chance
3.0 Cats - Monty, Dodger and Crunchie
1.1 Royal Pythons Orlina and Sedrick
0.1 BCI Boa - Aasia
1.0 Western Hognose - Hagrid
0.1 Bearded Dragon - iiara

[COOCOpUcHoo]

Yeah so I got a job, also I am getting 200 dollars for my birthday and whatever else comes in from other people. I recently looked up the price if rankins and pygmys. They are way more expensive than I expected. They are twice the price of regular beardies. I saw some for 150$ not sure how much that is in in €/£ but it is pretty expensive here. Are rankins supposed to be that expensive, or was the person just highballing the price?

[Mentat]

Last saw Rankins for sale locally (a few months ago) they were around 3-4 in. juvies and were going for $150 ea. Shop had around a dozen and they sold. Couple years before they were selling for lot's less; maybe half that.

Like everything else; cost has to do with the balance between availability and demand .

[COOCOpUcHoo]

So, I don't think I'm getting a rankin due to the price. But for a beardie, i don't think my mother would be ok with me having a 2 foot lizard in my room. Do what alternatives are there? I know leos are good but they are nocturnal. Although i jar read that they are still pretty active during the day, and they love to be handled, even if it wakes them. I had green anoles and it took me forever to tame one of them, also i don't find them as interesting as leos and beardies because i can't see then as much. So what other reptiles are good and fun to keep?

[COOCOpUcHoo]

So it turns out that my mom is scared of 1 ft (30 cm) lizards and i will have to get a leo.

[danfrog]

Are snakes a no go? They are really easy to care for.

[COOCOpUcHoo]

Are snakes a no go? They are really easy to care for.

Apparently she is scared to death when dot comes to snakes. Even though she grew up in a country where snakes are everywhere. What other options are there that aren't leos?

[Hypnotic]

Well, I think leopard geckos would be your best bet now, since bearded dragons and corn snakes are out. All other reptiles either have a higher difficulty of care or don't fit your needs.
But, does it have to be a reptile? Why not look for a furry best friend? My girlfriend has ferrets, wich are also amazing creatures, they love to play and have fun and are quite intelligent. I really believe you would be better off with a ferret then a reptile. If you get a ferret, it will need yearly vet checkups and both genders are best neuterd.

[COOCOpUcHoo]

My parents would not be ok with a ferret or rabbit, or anything along those lines. I'm not sure i really like hamsters because i had one before and i got bitten a lot. I have never tried mice though.

[nok1888]

Thing about ferrets is, females whether neutered or not, need to mate because there's a high risk of cancer if they don't

Get a rat, very easy to keep and like to come out to be petted

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2.0 Border Collies - Jinky and Chance
3.0 Cats - Monty, Dodger and Crunchie
1.1 Royal Pythons Orlina and Sedrick
0.1 BCI Boa - Aasia
1.0 Western Hognose - Hagrid
0.1 Bearded Dragon - iiara