I'm getting a 50G tank, how many frogs can I have in there? Can I add any fish in there?

[Jenste]

With such a small tank, (the 14 gallon) what filters do you have running on it? The waste of one goldfish will have established a small bacteria colony which will obviously have to grow to accommodate a larger colony of frogs. The bacteria colony on the media only grows as large as the waste sustaining it.

What type of goldfish is it? Even for a fancy 14 gallons is not large enough. They need at least a 20-30 gallon tank as a minimum for one goldfish.

[Astyanax]

With such a small tank, (the 14 gallon) what filters do you have running on it? The waste of one goldfish will have established a small bacteria colony which will obviously have to grow to accommodate a larger colony of frogs. The bacteria colony on the media only grows as large as the waste sustaining it.

What type of goldfish is it? Even for a fancy 14 gallons is not large enough. They need at least a 20-30 gallon tank as a minimum for one goldfish.

I know, but I have no other option. I've tried to convince my family to let it go into the pond, but they want to have it in the house, no matter what. So it's either that or it goes back into the kitchen where it was in a 3g tank with three other goldfish.

It's a fancy one, it has two tails like you described. I have two filters in the tank at the moment, a Stingray and a Fluvial small

[Jenste]

Having it with the frogs may be more humane then.

When the tank first arrives, set it up, move both filters over and add the goldfish to the 50 gallon. The 14 gallon will be great to have on hand as a quarantine and hospital tank.

[Astyanax]

Having it with the frogs may be more humane then.

When the tank first arrives, set it up, move both filters over and add the goldfish to the 50 gallon. The 14 gallon will be great to have on hand as a quarantine and hospital tank.

Yes, that may probably be the best option then. I'll still have to convince my family though, they wanted my old tank in the living room. It won't fit in my room after the big one gets here.

What do I do about feeding? The fish is much quicker and therefore it may eat more food than it should/ lowly starve my frogs.

I don't really want to handfeed 5 frogs +, two is hard enough!

[Mentat]

Hello! Jen and Michael already provided sound advice; but would like to add some info based on my 51 year long fish keeping experience. Fish and frogs eat each other in nature; mix them in a tank and it becomes an experiment until one does the other. From your fish choice proposals (Discus, Angels, Neon Tetras) it tells me they are based on looks and not of knowledge of the species and it's requirements. Good that you ask here because none of those would work. My recommendation is not to keep fish with frogs.

If using as feeders: set-up a Molly breading tank; quarantine parents and do anti-parasite treatments on them; feed them spirulina based foods; and then feed the grown babies to frogs. Before they are eaten you will have "fish in your tank."

Ammonia/Nitrite reducing bacteria populate surfaces. So you will have them mostly in substrate, the filter's pads and bio-media. You can rinse out the pads in tank water and re-use them in new filter if they fit. Or you can rinse bio-media same way and move that into new filter with new pad. This will leave pad in previous filter with new bio-media. Until you have new substrate seeded (2-4 weeks depending if you add bacteria to tank or not); do not replace any filter pads or bio-media. Just rinse in tank water and re-use. As Jen explained, that bio-media bacteria culture has adjusted itself to your goldfish needs. It will take time for it to adjust to your frogs. Adding them in stages is the smart thing to do. If you add all frogs at same time the filter will need more time to adjust and most probable your frogs will get an Ammonia spike followed by a long term Nitrite bath... not healthy at all .

In terms of bacteria loss, you can expect negligible loses during media cleaning and transfer unless you let it dry out. If tank's pH vary more than 0.2 units you could have more severe bacteria loses and even crash the bio-filter if there are major differences. Also, would recommend new tank matches old tank temp during filter set-up and then set up/turn on any heaters in new tank if required.

Finally, how long is your fancy goldfish (mouth to end of tailbone - do not include tail fin)? Reason I'm asking is because if it has not severely outgrown the 14 gal.; he is better being left in there. Last thing you want at the moment is that "Murphy's Law Strikes" and the loved by your family goldfish gets sick or dies. Trust me, that would create a problem for you and the frogs! Good luck !

[Astyanax]

Hello! Jen and Michael already provided sound advice; but would like to add some info based on my 51 year long fish keeping experience. Fish and frogs eat each other in nature; mix them in a tank and it becomes an experiment until one does the other. From your fish choice proposals (Discus, Angels, Neon Tetras) it tells me they are based on looks and not of knowledge of the species and it's requirements. Good that you ask here because none of those would work. My recommendation is not to keep fish with frogs.

Thanks for the reply. I'll admit that the discus and anglefish was mentioned for purely hypothetical reasons, I had no real intention or did I think of getting one beforehand. Those popped to mind, and I gave them merely as examples. If I was going to put a fish in, I'd make sure that I did all the necessary research anyway.

If using as feeders: set-up a Molly breading tank; quarantine parents and do anti-parasite treatments on them; feed them spirulina based foods; and then feed the grown babies to frogs. Before they are eaten you will have "fish in your tank."

I don't think I'll be feeding them love fish yet. I'm looking into breeding my own earthworms though.


Ammonia/Nitrite reducing bacteria populate surfaces. So you will have them mostly in substrate, the filter's pads and bio-media. You can rinse out the pads in tank water and re-use them in new filter if they fit. Or you can rinse bio-media same way and move that into new filter with new pad. This will leave pad in previous filter with new bio-media. Until you have new substrate seeded (2-4 weeks depending if you add bacteria to tank or not); do not replace any filter pads or bio-media. Just rinse in tank water and re-use. As Jen explained, that bio-media bacteria culture has adjusted itself to your goldfish needs. It will take time for it to adjust to your frogs. Adding them in stages is the smart thing to do. If you add all frogs at same time the filter will need more time to adjust and most probable your frogs will get an Ammonia spike followed by a long term Nitrite bath... not healthy at all .


Yes, I was never going to add all frogs at once, that would indeed create a horrible ammonia spike. I'm getting two X.Tropicalis (1inch), I don't think that will drastically overload the system. Once everything is stable, I'll get two more and leave it as such for a month or two. Thanks on the tips about the media, I'll make sure to put them into the new system and see how it goes.

In terms of bacteria loss, you can expect negligible loses during media cleaning and transfer unless you let it dry out. If tank's pH vary more than 0.2 units you could have more severe bacteria loses and even crash the bio-filter if there are major differences. Also, would recommend new tank matches old tank temp during filter set-up and then set up/turn on any heaters in new tank if required.

That's good news, it will be exposed to the air for about thirty seconds before going into the new tank. I'll keep on the look out for my pH Lvls.

Finally, how long is your fancy goldfish (mouth to end of tailbone - do not include tail fin)? Reason I'm asking is because if it has not severely outgrown the 14 gal.; he is better being left in there. Last thing you want at the moment is that "Murphy's Law Strikes" and the loved by your family goldfish gets sick or dies. Trust me, that would create a problem for you and the frogs! Good luck !

The reason why I'm not panicking about him is because he is still very small (2.5inch, 3 at max) and the tank is almost filled to the top. So he has 60L to himself at the moment. If I see he's getting bigger, I'll try to convince everybody that he needs to go into the pond.