Cane Toad care

[Gnag the nameless]

I disagree with you, toadstillcane. Many frog owners feed their frogs mice, and the frogs are fine with it. Also, Demon Amphibians has kept many different species of frogs, and has many years of experience with them. I would take his advice before the advice of many other people on this Forum. Cane toads also eat huge varieties of meals, often vertebrates included, and I am certain many wild cane toads eat mice. Perhaps for most frogs they are not a good staple or supplementary meal, but I can assure you that Demon Amphibians knows more about Cane toads and their care than either you or myself.

Topsoil is the most natural substrate out there, and I have never heard of any issues with it. If you are going to state "Topsoil is not a good substrate," please, explain why as well.

[toadstillcane]

I disagree with you, toadstillcane. Many frog owners feed their frogs mice, and the frogs are fine with it. Also, Demon Amphibians has kept many different species of frogs, and has many years of experience with them. I would take his advice before the advice of many other people on this Forum. Cane toads also eat huge varieties of meals, often vertebrates included, and I am certain many wild cane toads eat mice. Perhaps for most frogs they are not a good staple or supplementary meal, but I can assure you that Demon Amphibians knows more about Cane toads and their care than either you or myself.Topsoil is the most natural substrate out there, and I have never heard of any issues with it. If you are going to state "Topsoil is not a good substrate," please, explain why as well.

top soil is heavy dirty hard dries quicker need i go on so 20 liters of top soil say its bad but its my own experince also im new to cane toads but its not whos had it the longest or biggest its whats best for animal and my new imformation which ill glady share is suggesting that giving bull frogs mice regularly creates fat lumps as seen in snakes which also your going to tell i know knowing about these ok but ive put it to a breeder were i got my african bull frog from on line with a booklet sayin mice but studies show now that mice are bad ill find thread its from another forum am i allowed to post it also from owing phibs for a matter of months im doin also topsoil is very gritty and bitty and when your changing water everyday its apain with top soil also my canes dont like it wont burrow couldnt burrow infact compacted whats your great reason for using it now ecco earth brilliant wanna see burrowing holes my toads have made easy to burrow easier to keep water moisture consistancy also cleaner water for toads so it seems i know some thing you and willing to learn more but all im sayin is what new experts claim also what would you know what a cane toad will eat in wild sir were does it get dog food from herm itt doesnt we give it doesnt mean we should

[toadstillcane]

top soil is heavy dirty hard dries quicker need i go on so 20 liters of top soil say its bad but its my own experince also im new to cane toads but its not whos had it the longest or biggest its whats best for animal and my new imformation which ill glady share is suggesting that giving bull frogs mice regularly creates fat lumps as seen in snakes which also your going to tell i know knowing about these ok but ive put it to a breeder were i got my african bull frog from on line with a booklet sayin mice but studies show now that mice are bad ill find thread its from another forum am i allowed to post it also from owing phibs for a matter of months im doin also topsoil is very gritty and bitty and when your changing water everyday its apain with top soil also my canes dont like it wont burrow couldnt burrow infact compacted whats your great reason for using it now ecco earth brilliant wanna see burrowing holes my toads have made easy to burrow easier to keep water moisture consistancy also cleaner water for toads so it seems i know some thing you and willing to learn more but all im sayin is what new experts claim also what would you know what a cane toad will eat in wild sir were does it get dog food from herm itt doesnt we give it doesnt mean we should

Quote: Originally Posted by Uromastyxman I have had my African Bullfrogs and cane toads since I purchased them in 1991. the books and caresheets I have read since that time have all stated that these animals in the wild will consume almost anything they can overpower and get into their mouths. They also say that too many rodents can make them fat, effect their kidney and liver functions and could kill them. However they also say that feeding them rodents in MODERATION, is fine. I feed mine a huge variety of insects and every other month I will give them an adult mouse defrost, which they seem to relish and has not effected their health in anyway. I would prefer to believe what I have read from a variety of sources and take into account my own experiences. I have also encountered many underweight frogs and toads, who are fed store bought insects in the hope that this will be efficient. I have trained my animals to eat food parcels from tongs so this delivery system can provide them with any food I prepare for them. My argumant is MODERATION!!!If that is your arguement, I don't have much of a problem with it- although I would say that a proprtion of wild-caught food makes up for some of the deficiencies of 'store-bought'. If I misunderstood your earlier posts, which seemed to suggest that mice were the 'perfect' food, I apologise. this is from another forum dating back wait for it 2009 yes 2009 sir thats poor research on others parts not mine but its opinions again though so whos to say whos right and whos wrong but any over feeding on any animal is bad

[Gnag the nameless]

Perhaps, but top soil is the most natural. No matter if it is "itty and gritty", it may be the best option. I've always repeated that whatever is best for the frog/toad, go for it. Sure, it compacts, and perhaps it is hard to burrow in, but in the wild, Cane toads are used to such substrate. And in fact, they thrive in it. Coconut fiber may be easier to burrow in, but it is not as natural. That's all I'm trying to say.

I never suggested feeding bullfrogs mice, and I don't do that with my own bullfrog. And yes, it is unhealthy for bullfrogs to regularly eat mice.

I never mentioned dog food in my earlier post, and if I recall correctly, neither did Demon Amphibians.

My argument is indeed on the side of moderation. Feeding rodents in moderation or as a supplement is fine. However, I too disagree with feeding them as the staple diet.

I never said mice were the perfect food, neither the perfect supplementary food.

For Cane toads, yes, it is good to have a variety of W/C insects to feed them. I completely agree with you there. I've always wished that there were more feeder insects open in the market, giving frog owners the choice of a bigger variety in their frog/toads diet.

I second you on that, overfeeding any animal is bad for the animal.

Please refrain from being rude, I'd rather keep this as a debate, not an argument.

All I'm saying is that it is not necessarily bad to feed Cane toads mice in a variety such as Demon Amphibians has stated, and that it will not kill the frog. It may be unhealthy if they are fed as the staple, yes, but as a supplementary food, they may help.

[toadstillcane]

[QUOTE=Gnag the nameless;168340]Perhaps, but top soil is the most natural. No matter if it is "itty and gritty", it may be the best option. I've always repeated that whatever is best for the frog/toad, go for it. Sure, it compacts, and perhaps it is hard to burrow in, but in the wild, Cane toads are used to such substrate. And in fact, they thrive in it. Coconut fiber may be easier to burrow in, but it is not as natural. That's all I'm trying to say.

I never suggested feeding bullfrogs mice, and I don't do that with my own bullfrog. And yes, it is unhealthy for bullfrogs to regularly eat mice.

I never mentioned dog food in my earlier post, and if I recall correctly, neither did Demon Amphibians.

My argument is indeed on the side of moderation. Feeding rodents in moderation or as a supplement is fine. However, I too disagree with feeding them as the staple diet.

I never said mice were the perfect food, neither the perfect supplementary food.

For Cane toads, yes, it is good to have a variety of W/C insects to feed them. I completely agree with you there. I've always wished that there were more feeder insects open in the market, giving frog owners the choice of a bigger variety in their frog/toads diet.

I second you on that, overfeeding any animal is bad for the animal.

Please refrain from being rude, I'd rather keep this as a debate, not an argument.

All I'm saying is that it is not necessarily bad to feed Cane toads mice in a variety such as Demon Amphibians has stated, and that it will not kill the frog. It may be unhealthy if they are fed as the staple, yes, but as a supplementary food, they may
Phoenix Worms are great for frogs and toad's and they Can be given as a more staple diet also l Use earth worms Sorry if you thought I was being rude didn't Mean to

[GonzaloCastillo]

so i see you all guys have experience with cane toads, and im new to them, i would like to know if i can give them slugs?

[toadstillcane]

Yes you can give them slugs but if you have dogs I wouldn't mess about with them due to fact that slugs carry lung worm im surprised at how the people in hete didn't answer you but there to busy with having a pop at me yes all types of wild insects can be given to the cane toad but again with slugs id be careful as humans can catch lung worm but its the dog thats got to be careful as its deadly to dogs snails I anit sure about just Google search it I'll do it yes snail's to are deadly to cats as well but if you dont have a cat an dog go ahead an catch some your toads will love you

[toadstillcane]

Why don't you ask people not to be argumentative with me im here to learn not be talked to like a child

[toadstillcane]

Its a fact not an argument with you or anyone 5 small mice in 1 go is to much also depends upon were the toad has come from on grounds of terrains like Australia usa there all different types of terrains sandy deserts im not here to argue just learn an share you see I have toads 3 months frog 2 month but on the grounds on feeding cane toads are being fed dog food also cat food haha natural nah thats rong like snakes like royal python eat gerbils in natural surroundings but we give dead white mice pepole wanna luck up what to much feeding does to a snake

[toadstillcane]

You say you don't feed you're bull frog mice then disagree with me on it an you say others do your al back tracking