Pacman Frog

[GrifTheGreat]

wtf LOl the guy up there said yellow albinos are cranwelli and ornate is just... so confused now LMFAO

The Yellow Albinos are a Color morph of C. Cranwelli. They are not a different species nor are they true Albinos. They are what is called Melanistic which means they lack certain dark color pigments within their skin. True Albinos are milky pale white with red or pink eyes. The Yellow Albino is only part Albino due to them receiving the pink and red eyes. There are also different color Morphs and Phases of the Yellow Albino like Lime Green Albinos and Strawberry Albinos.

Research, Research, RESEARCH!!!

[DorkiTimmy]

i see i see Then which species of horned frogs/pacman frog would be the easiest to breed in your opinion or the easiest to get? start off with i still have long way to go i understand researching now

[Ra]

The Yellow Albinos are a Color morph of C. Cranwelli. They are not a different species nor are they true Albinos. They are what is called Melanistic which means they lack certain dark color pigments within their skin. True Albinos are milky pale white with red or pink eyes. The Yellow Albino is only part Albino due to them receiving the pink and red eyes. There are also different color Morphs and Phases of the Yellow Albino like Lime Green Albinos and Strawberry Albinos.

Research, Research, RESEARCH!!!

I thought they were true albinos if they had the red eyes, mine has red eyes and so did the one I owned years ago.
Wrong there about Melanism. Melanism is when the animal has alot of dark pigment, so a melanistic frog would probably be more blue or seafoam green. Its the blue pigment that the albino frogs do not have, making them appear yellow. They are still albinos. SOme albinos have terra cotta coloration and light reds. They are still true albinos, but they are not albinos if they have black eyes, such as the leucistic mutants. Leucism and melanism are both completely different phenomena than albinism.

Albino Cranwelli are albinos. In simplest terms, the pigments blue and yellow make green and if you take out the blue you typically get an albino, if you take out the yellow you would have a melanistic blue frog and if you took out all pigment in the skin you would have white leucistic frog with black eyes and a clear belly. One could argue that the Samurai Blues are Melanistic and the black eyed mutants are leucistic. Hopefully these traits become established through time without genetic defects the way that the albino morph has. I have heard of more than a few instances of Albino Pacman frogs coming from Green parents, which would mean that the albino trait was in the family history, probably the result of breeding albinos with Greens. It would be cool if the blue form and the black eyed mutant could become established in the same manner.

[Ra]

I currently own two Green Pacmans, one baby Brown Pacman, one large female albino Pacman, and Ornate Horned Frog, a beutiful male Fantasy Frog, a Budgett's Frog and an African Bullfrog. I plan to get some Samurai Blues and a couple more Ornates in the Future.

I lucked out when I bought my first three Pacmans, getting a female albino and two Green males. I plan on breeding them when they are sexually mature and ready.

[DorkiTimmy]

b6b467eb.jpg picture by DorkiTimmy - Photobucket would you guys say my is a straight up ornate frog or is it mix with anything?

[lumpbump]

I thought they were true albinos if they had the red eyes, mine has red eyes and so did the one I owned years ago.
Wrong there about Melanism. Melanism is when the animal has alot of dark pigment, so a melanistic frog would probably be more blue or seafoam green. Its the blue pigment that the albino frogs do not have, making them appear yellow. They are still albinos. SOme albinos have terra cotta coloration and light reds. They are still true albinos, but they are not albinos if they have black eyes, such as the leucistic mutants. Leucism and melanism are both completely different phenomena than albinism.

Im not sure how interchangeable certain phrases are between different species but I know in boa constrictors there are a few variants of albinism and melanism to include hypomelanistic and improved melanistic gene (IMG). Melanin is the pigment best represented by the color black. The process that converts certain chemicals into melanin is regulated by many intermediate steps. When that process is interrupted or stopped completely you in a sense have different shades of albino unless your criteria also includes pink or red eyes and tongues. Some albino boa constrictors have purple tongues, pink eyes, and creamy caramel like coloring. In the boa world this trait is sometimes referred to T+ or tyronase positive since only some of the process of forming melanin is interrupted.

It is mostly agreed upon that albino and albino variations are inherited in simple recessive manor. Perhaps the way frogs pass on albinism is not simple recessive but in a codominant manor. Meaning if only one gene for albino is present you get certain coloring but when two copies of the gene are present you get a super or hyperexagerated form? I know not! I have one C. Cranwelli and he's got pink eyes and his skin color changes from lime green to nearly ripe banana yellow

[GrifTheGreat]

I thought they were true albinos if they had the red eyes, mine has red eyes and so did the one I owned years ago.
Wrong there about Melanism. Melanism is when the animal has alot of dark pigment, so a melanistic frog would probably be more blue or seafoam green. Its the blue pigment that the albino frogs do not have, making them appear yellow. They are still albinos. SOme albinos have terra cotta coloration and light reds. They are still true albinos, but they are not albinos if they have black eyes, such as the leucistic mutants. Leucism and melanism are both completely different phenomena than albinism.

Albino Cranwelli are albinos. In simplest terms, the pigments blue and yellow make green and if you take out the blue you typically get an albino, if you take out the yellow you would have a melanistic blue frog and if you took out all pigment in the skin you would have white leucistic frog with black eyes and a clear belly. One could argue that the Samurai Blues are Melanistic and the black eyed mutants are leucistic. Hopefully these traits become established through time without genetic defects the way that the albino morph has. I have heard of more than a few instances of Albino Pacman frogs coming from Green parents, which would mean that the albino trait was in the family history, probably the result of breeding albinos with Greens. It would be cool if the blue form and the black eyed mutant could become established in the same manner.

Ra I am right. Melanism is when they lack dark pigments like black and brown. maybe you should look it up because I'm not sure where you get your info. Albinoism is where they lack all color pigments and therefore appear pinkish or milky white in skin color. All TRUE Albinos animals are white or pinkish.

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Ra I am right. Melanism is when they lack dark pigments like black and brown. maybe you should look it up because I'm not sure where you get your info. Albinoism is where they lack all color pigments and therefore appear pinkish or milky white in skin color. All TRUE Albinos animals are white or pinkish.

Confusion!! Needing modifyer prefixes to base words sonot no confusionI happens!! ((A) without) Amelanistic. ((Hypo) low) hypomelanistic, ((hyper) increased) hypermelanistic... back to shamans, prophets, mystic and clergy! Religion bleh

[Ra]

I did look it up, melanism ; an increased amount of black or nearly black pigmentation of an individual kind of organism.

here is a link to an albino alligator http://www.freakyzoo.com/images/WhiteGator.jpg

notice the pink eyes.

here is a leucistic one http://www.animalpicturesarchive.com...ce_closeup.jpg

notice the black eyes.

This is a melanistic alligator http://pics.hoobly.com/full/HQ93KEIFYJOM.jpg


All albino frogs are typically yellow and not pink because they are usually green, which means their dark pigments are blues and their light pigments are yellows. So, Im not sure where you are getting your information but you are a bit confused about it.

Ive seen melanistic green tree frogs and other frogs and lizards that are green animals, and they are blue. Ive seen a ton of Albino frogs of different species and they are pretty much all yellows with pink eyes, and Ive seen a number of different leucistic reptiles and amphibians and they are all typically white with black eyes.

[GrifTheGreat]

I did look it up, melanism ; an increased amount of black or nearly black pigmentation of an individual kind of organism.

here is a link to an albino alligator http://www.freakyzoo.com/images/WhiteGator.jpg

notice the pink eyes.

here is a leucistic one http://www.animalpicturesarchive.com...ce_closeup.jpg

notice the black eyes.

This is a melanistic alligator http://pics.hoobly.com/full/HQ93KEIFYJOM.jpg


All albino frogs are typically yellow and not pink because they are usually green, which means their dark pigments are blues and their light pigments are yellows. So, Im not sure where you are getting your information but you are a bit confused about it.

They are still not a true albino. True Albinos are extremely rare. referred to as albino and being albino are two different aspects. Albino Pacman are plentiful and never rare yellow forms anyway. Although if both parents carry the albino gene than it becomes past to the offspring, but not all will be Albinos if both parents are not and so on and so forth. The term Albino means that the animal lacks ALL COLOR PIGMENTS which these frogs do not. The pink or red eyes means nothing in this sence because they still have pigments of color in the skin.

If it were to be a large amount of dark color pigments then why is there none present?

[Ra]

Albinism is rare, unless of course somebody went ahead and decided to selectively breed for albinism, which is the case here with the albino pacman frog and every other albino reptile or ambphibian on the market. Its not rare because its bred for.

"If it were to be a large amount of dark color pigments then why is there none present?" because they arent Melanistic, They are albinos or albinoid or however you want to call it. A Melanistic frog would be blue with dark colored spotting, whereas an alnino or "albinoid" frog has yellow with reddish spots. The black eyed mutants have ABSOLUTELY no pigment in their skin, but they arent albinos because they have pigment in their eyes.

edit; Ive found the confusion and we are both wrong. The often called albino is merely amelanistic, meaning it LACKS dark pigments. It is not truly an albino but thats what they are called. You had confused melanism with amelanism. Melanism is ALL dark pigment.

Final answer, "albino" Horned frogs are amelanistic. Grif was correct but had confused melanism with amelanism.

[GrifTheGreat]

They are still not a true albino. True Albinos are extremely rare. referred to as albino and being albino are two different aspects. Albino Pacman are plentiful and never rare yellow forms anyway. Although if both parents carry the albino gene than it becomes past to the offspring, but not all will be Albinos if both parents are not and so on and so forth. The term Albino means that the animal lacks ALL COLOR PIGMENTS which these frogs do not. The pink or red eyes means nothing in this sence because they still have pigments of color in the skin.

If it were to be a large amount of dark color pigments then why is there none present?

Nevermind this post. I just realized that I'm getting the words mixed up. BAAAHHH!! I just got home from work and last night was really late.

Anyway, the term being Albino for these frogs is still wrong because albino means white and devoid of color pigments, but not all white animals are albino.

Thanks Ra for realizing my misuse of the correct term Lol!

[Ra]

And thank you for getting me to look further into it to find that most animals in the pet trade called albinos are actually amelanistic!