Does my pac have vision problems? Advice, tips??

[GrifTheGreat]

The thing I'm confused about is that after the soak, her pupils started constricting again like they should. At first I didn't think it was toxins or neurological, but after last night's weirdness I'm starting to wonder... I've checked her several times today and her eyes seem to be normal now. What could cause that? It's been less than three weeks since his last substrate change and his water gets changed every day, but I'm going to do another substrate change tonight just to be safe.

Now that I've moved, I have all my cold-blooded critters in their own room where the vent is closed so I can keep her temps right using only a heat pad and sometimes a red night-time bulb.

I didn't know they couldn't see right in front of their noses.

Think about it. Their eyes are on top of their head and to the side. They can see beside, behind, and in front of them to a degree, but the cannot see cross eyed like we and so many other animals can due to the position of their eyes. Anywhere directly infront between the eyes they can't see which is why they can since movement with their noses. Pyxies can also do this. A lot of people don't know this about them so don't beat your self up.

I would have whatever water source your using tested and whatever food you're feeding her. Find out where it comes from and check to see if its possible any chemicals could be in these.

Chemicals don't always do damage until they have built up in the frogs system. Urinating probably reneged some of the chemical content and fresh water being absorbed deluged some that was left. You may want to do weekly soaks to remove chemicals from her system and if your de-chlorinating agent is old get rid of it and buy a new bottle because they can weaken over time and not be as affective.

[DVirginiana]

Okay, so this is really strange. I got her up and put her in her water dish, and she was being normal. I offered a roach and she started tracking it (the fiber was packed down so she wouldn't ingest much even if she struck and missed). I had already try tong-feeding for like ten minutes, and she was just ignoring it. Suddenly, with no change in the light, her pupils were just BLOWN and she sort of 'relaxed' from her alert stalking position into a sitting position. At this point her pupils wouldn't change even when I put a bright light on. She didn't seem to be in any distress and, when I touched her she would still move away. What could this be? A seizure or something? If it's a tox problem, would it get worse/better/worse like that with no real changes?? I'm about to go check and see if they've changed again...

Think about it. Their eyes are on top of their head and to the side. They can see beside, behind, and in front of them to a degree, but the cannot see cross eyed like we and so many other animals can due to the position of their eyes. Anywhere directly infront between the eyes they can't see which is why they can since movement with their noses. Pyxies can also do this. A lot of people don't know this about them so don't beat your self up.

I would have whatever water source your using tested and whatever food you're feeding her. Find out where it comes from and check to see if its possible any chemicals could be in these.

Chemicals don't always do damage until they have built up in the frogs system. Urinating probably reneged some of the chemical content and fresh water being absorbed deluged some that was left. You may want to do weekly soaks to remove chemicals from her system and if your de-chlorinating agent is old get rid of it and buy a new bottle because they can weaken over time and not be as affective.

I breed my own dubia roaches, so they should be fine... When I give her nightcrawlers, they are the walmart kind that I have used for my snakes for twelve years. Those are okay, right?
I've always bought spring water for her. I use the same kind for everything. I'll look it up and make sure... I'll probably pick a specific brand and buy only that from now on. I think I'll try Poland Spring. I've heard people (I don't remember if it was here or another forum) say that it worked well for their frogs.

At this point idk if there's anything to do other than really start monitoring the water I give her...

[GrifTheGreat]

Okay, so this is really strange. I got her up and put her in her water dish, and she was being normal. I offered a roach and she started tracking it (the fiber was packed down so she wouldn't ingest much even if she struck and missed). I had already try tong-feeding for like ten minutes, and she was just ignoring it. Suddenly, with no change in the light, her pupils were just BLOWN and she sort of 'relaxed' from her alert stalking position into a sitting position. At this point her pupils wouldn't change even when I put a bright light on. She didn't seem to be in any distress and, when I touched her she would still move away. What could this be? A seizure or something? If it's a tox problem, would it get worse/better/worse like that with no real changes?? I'm about to go check and see if they've changed again...



I breed my own dubia roaches, so they should be fine... When I give her nightcrawlers, they are the walmart kind that I have used for my snakes for twelve years. Those are okay, right?
I've always bought spring water for her. I use the same kind for everything. I'll look it up and make sure... I'll probably pick a specific brand and buy only that from now on. I think I'll try Poland Spring. I've heard people (I don't remember if it was here or another forum) say that it worked well for their frogs.

At this point idk if there's anything to do other than really start monitoring the water I give her...

If the worms are dye and chemical free they should be fine.

You may want to take Trevor to the Vet for a checkup. Also have a fecal exam done. Something is not right. Does she get exposes to UVB light a lot from maybe sunlight?

[DVirginiana]

If the worms are dye and chemical free they should be fine.

You may want to take Trevor to the Vet for a checkup. Also have a fecal exam done. Something is not right. Does she get exposes to UVB light a lot from maybe sunlight?

Yeah, the worms are dye and chemical free.

I would really love to do that, but I just got married and moved into a new place and neither of us have started work yet... If I can find an exotic vet willing to give me advice over the phone, maybe. Like, if it was something treatable I would definitely stretch the budget to swing an office visit, but I just can't do the thing where I bring the frog in and get vague answers and maybe have to bring it back multiple times.

There's one window in the room, but I imagine she gets very little light from it. I do have a UVB light I use for my turtle, but his tank is on the floor and Trevor's is on a table. She doesn't get direct light from the turtle's lamp, but she's probably getting a little exposure. The turtle's setup wasn't in the same room as Trevor's until I moved, so that is something that's just happened within the last week. Could that be the issue? I didn't know UVB could cause problems... What does it do to them?

His eyes were dilating and constricting like normal again when I checked last. At least that's good. Trevor has never been super healthy, and it's always been a struggle to get her to eat well for more than a week or two at a time... Do you think this could have been going on longer since the pupil thing seems to only be happening for a minute or so at a time?

[IvoryReptiles]

There was no tone in my post. I wasn't accusing you of anything you didn't do.....I simply asked the reasoning behind it. You stated the frog took a massive dump of nothing but coco fiber. Seeing that, common sense says something needs to be changed.
It's not accusing, it's fact. You threw your extraneous details at me after my original post because you felt I had a "Tone"...... the details do matter. The reasons are your own business, but the situation was all I needed.
What you are describing sounds like toxic shock...............I would recommend using de-chlorinated tap water. Most bottled waters are tap water....period. Whatever you do, don't use distilled water.
Have a camera on your phone? Take some pictures and post them if possible.

[GrifTheGreat]

Yeah, the worms are dye and chemical free.

I would really love to do that, but I just got married and moved into a new place and neither of us have started work yet... If I can find an exotic vet willing to give me advice over the phone, maybe. Like, if it was something treatable I would definitely stretch the budget to swing an office visit, but I just can't do the thing where I bring the frog in and get vague answers and maybe have to bring it back multiple times.

There's one window in the room, but I imagine she gets very little light from it. I do have a UVB light I use for my turtle, but his tank is on the floor and Trevor's is on a table. She doesn't get direct light from the turtle's lamp, but she's probably getting a little exposure. The turtle's setup wasn't in the same room as Trevor's until I moved, so that is something that's just happened within the last week. Could that be the issue? I didn't know UVB could cause problems... What does it do to them?

His eyes were dilating and constricting like normal again when I checked last. At least that's good. Trevor has never been super healthy, and it's always been a struggle to get her to eat well for more than a week or two at a time... Do you think this could have been going on longer since the pupil thing seems to only be happening for a minute or so at a time?

I'd say there could be some problems from perhaps your parents not following all your instructions. Multiple things possibly at work here. The UVB wouldn't pass farther than 12" at least in most bulbs. Plus it doesn't pass through multiple layers of glass well. UVB can cause blindness and skin issues if they are exposed to it to much. A build up of Vitamin D3 could cause issues from too much UVB Radiation.

For now I would keep a close eye on her make sure everything is kept clean.

Do you clean with bleach??

[DVirginiana]

I'm having a hard time getting more than one quote in my response...

Jessica:
I'll see if I can get a picture from my phone that is decent enough to actually see anything. The bloating thing seemed to go away after last night's soak. Other than that, she looks completely normal except when her pupils are blown. I'll try and catch that happening again.

UGH, I had asked on a separate frog forum about that when I first got Trevor, and was told spring water was fine to use. I can't believe I've been using something that could harm her all this time. Prime water purifier should be fine, right? It's pretty high quality, and works great for fish.
I've never used distilled.

I'd say there could be some problems from perhaps your parents not following all your instructions. Multiple things possibly at work here. The UVB wouldn't pass farther than 12" at least in most bulbs. Plus it doesn't pass through multiple layers of glass well. UVB can cause blindness and skin issues if they are exposed to it to much. A build up of Vitamin D3 could cause issues from too much UVB Radiation.

For now I would keep a close eye on her make sure everything is kept clean.

Do you clean with bleach??

I think it's probably too far away to be causing the problem though if it doesn't go much further than 12 inches... I might rearrange the angle of turtle's light just out of paranoia though.
I'm hoping that a tank cleaning might improve things.
I've never used bleach to clean, only vinegar.

[GrifTheGreat]

I'm having a hard time getting more than one quote in my response...

Jessica:
I'll see if I can get a picture from my phone that is decent enough to actually see anything. The bloating thing seemed to go away after last night's soak. Other than that, she looks completely normal except when her pupils are blown. I'll try and catch that happening again.

UGH, I had asked on a separate frog forum about that when I first got Trevor, and was told spring water was fine to use. I can't believe I've been using something that could harm her all this time. Prime water purifier should be fine, right? It's pretty high quality, and works great for fish.
I've never used distilled.



I think it's probably too far away to be causing the problem though if it doesn't go much further than 12 inches... I might rearrange the angle of turtle's light just out of paranoia though.
I'm hoping that a tank cleaning might improve things.
I've never used bleach to clean, only vinegar.

Good bleach can be deadly if not completely washed out. Prime works very well.

[Ra]

I'm having a hard time getting more than one quote in my response...

Jessica:
I'll see if I can get a picture from my phone that is decent enough to actually see anything. The bloating thing seemed to go away after last night's soak. Other than that, she looks completely normal except when her pupils are blown. I'll try and catch that happening again.

UGH, I had asked on a separate frog forum about that when I first got Trevor, and was told spring water was fine to use. I can't believe I've been using something that could harm her all this time. Prime water purifier should be fine, right? It's pretty high quality, and works great for fish.
I've never used distilled.



I think it's probably too far away to be causing the problem though if it doesn't go much further than 12 inches... I might rearrange the angle of turtle's light just out of paranoia though.
I'm hoping that a tank cleaning might improve things.
I've never used bleach to clean, only vinegar.

No spring water is spring water, it comes from a spring and I have known lots of frog users that have used it with success and its fine. In fact it may be better than tap water depending on the quality of your tap water. SOme tap water is no good and ifg you use a water softener then you probably dont want to use tap water either, I dont know for sure, I wouldnt.