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    Casper would be a fitting name Lynn lol! ;D
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    Is it possible their was a lack of a specific vitamin or mineral like calcium that may have prevented the hardening of his exoskeleton rather than a genetic anomoly?


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    Quote Originally Posted by fluffypanda View Post
    i have a pet beetle! i was trying to breed the 'Giant Mealworms' and he was the only survivor! I've had him for a few months now and his name is max
    lol cuuuute! ugh giant mealworms though, they are the CREEPIEST things ever lol. I'm getting the shivers just thinking about them.

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    Casper looks awesome I would breed him and sell albino crickets people would probably go nuts for them.

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    I will buy some lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    Is it possible their was a lack of a specific vitamin or mineral like calcium that may have prevented the hardening of his exoskeleton rather than a genetic anomoly?
    Good thought Grif ! I do mix gut load w/calcium in their daily feed though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whistly View Post
    Casper looks awesome I would breed him and sell albino crickets people would probably go nuts for them.
    No Thank You !!! I'll send him on a boat ride across the river to you! lol
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    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

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    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    Is it possible their was a lack of a specific vitamin or mineral like calcium that may have prevented the hardening of his exoskeleton rather than a genetic anomoly?
    Possibly, though I am not sure what crickets specifically require during sclerotization, as the cuticle of each species of insect varies at least slightly.

    The bulk of the exoskeleton (which isn't just a single layer) is composed primarily of chitin, a complex polysaccharide much like cellulose in plants. Most of us are pretty familiar with chitin as we have to deal with it when we consume crustraceans and this is generally the cause for concern with feeders that have dense exoskeletons like mealworms and zophobas. In addition, there are various proteins involved with the parts of the exoskeleton, and the prcoess of molting and 'hardening' to grow is fairly complicated... there are a number of enzymes involved, required precursors such as hormones and other cofactors. Its possible that dietary needs aid in the production of these cofactors, except I'd expect to see issues with the actual molt in the entire population (or a complete inability to molt, and death).

    On the note of Zophobas morio (Superworms), this species is most safer to feed than the 'Giant' variety of Tenebrio molitor (mealworm) as the Giant variety are generally provided with an insect growth hormone to allow them to attain massive size and inhibit pupation to be used as bait. I'm not sure if there are negative effects to this insect growth hormone to our pets, but I'd rather not feed them. Zophobas are frequently coined as giant mealworms, make sure that the species you obtain are dark in color, with dark heads and very active (and unable to be refrigerated. They should look like this: SupersEatSilkC.jpg picture by JEFFREH - Photobucket

    Anywho, crickets are thought to bring good fortune in some cultures...maybe this one is your Lucky ticket = ) You should name him Cri-Kee, like the one from the movie Mulan!


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    Lolwut to above.

    I think if this is genetic, and shows no harm to our beloved animals, that this would be a better feeding choice than the regular House Cricket! It has a softer exoskeleton/body right? That means easier to take in and diejest(Damn, couldn't spell it!) the cricket! So I agree with Jeff, Get Babies ASAP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkLabs View Post
    Lolwut to above.

    I think if this is genetic, and shows no harm to our beloved animals, that this would be a better feeding choice than the regular House Cricket! It has a softer exoskeleton/body right? That means easier to take in and diejest(Damn, couldn't spell it!) the cricket! So I agree with Jeff, Get Babies ASAP!
    Digest lol spelling isn't my strong point either.

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    Also this thread has had 29 now 30 replies in 24 hours so just think how people will go MAD if you can breed them and sell them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreH View Post
    Possibly, though I am not sure what crickets specifically require during sclerotization, as the cuticle of each species of insect varies at least slightly.

    The bulk of the exoskeleton (which isn't just a single layer) is composed primarily of chitin, a complex polysaccharide much like cellulose in plants. Most of us are pretty familiar with chitin as we have to deal with it when we consume crustraceans and this is generally the cause for concern with feeders that have dense exoskeletons like mealworms and zophobas. In addition, there are various proteins involved with the parts of the exoskeleton, and the prcoess of molting and 'hardening' to grow is fairly complicated... there are a number of enzymes involved, required precursors such as hormones and other cofactors. Its possible that dietary needs aid in the production of these cofactors, except I'd expect to see issues with the actual molt in the entire population (or a complete inability to molt, and death).

    On the note of Zophobas morio (Superworms), this species is most safer to feed than the 'Giant' variety of Tenebrio molitor (mealworm) as the Giant variety are generally provided with an insect growth hormone to allow them to attain massive size and inhibit pupation to be used as bait. I'm not sure if there are negative effects to this insect growth hormone to our pets, but I'd rather not feed them. Zophobas are frequently coined as giant mealworms, make sure that the species you obtain are dark in color, with dark heads and very active (and unable to be refrigerated. They should look like this: SupersEatSilkC.jpg picture by JEFFREH - Photobucket

    Anywho, crickets are thought to bring good fortune in some cultures...maybe this one is your Lucky ticket = ) You should name him Cri-Kee, like the one from the movie Mulan!


    One more quick follow-up: Lynn, do you know if he was born this way?
    Jeff
    Casper aka 'Cri-Kee' was born this way. I'll get another pic this weekend.
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    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    I find this really cute (not the cricket, just the fact that everyone nameing him and all )
    I think you should breed him and see what his offspring are like, and if they are white/soft, feed them to your frogs for a 'test run' to see if the frogs like them better and what not (I'd assume they would taste the same though, haha)
    This is real interesting

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    Awesome Lynn = )

    You know, I've never been so interested in a cricket in my entire life - they're usually so annoying to keep that I want to punch things.

    Now, if ony he was able to produce silent/non-smelly offspring too. Sweet mother of God... that would be fantastic.

    If you are feeling super ambitious, you could make a breeding bin for just him and a few choice females. This would help to eliminate competition from other males and you could truly ID his own offspring, or even hold them back and breed them together to see if anything recessive pops up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreH View Post
    Now, if ony he was able to produce silent/non-smelly offspring too. Sweet mother of God... that would be fantastic
    Psst, they're called dubias... but don't tell anyone

    Jokes aside, both thumbs up for JeffreH's information about crickets and insects in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreH View Post
    Awesome Lynn = )

    You know, I've never been so interested in a cricket in my entire life - they're usually so annoying to keep that I want to punch things.

    Now, if ony he was able to produce silent/non-smelly offspring too. Sweet mother of God... that would be fantastic.

    If you are feeling super ambitious, you could make a breeding bin for just him and a few choice females. This would help to eliminate competition from other males and you could truly ID his own offspring, or even hold them back and breed them together to see if anything recessive pops up!
    Hi Jeff,
    The original/earlier pics in this post were taken Wednesday- 2/15 at 7: 15 pm est
    Well here is this same cricket a few minutes ago ( 2/17- 5:45 pm est). Looking much darker ?
    Not normal- but darker.

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    I'm still willing to make a separate breeding bin?
    What do you think? I suppose he could have simply have had a shedding issue?

    Note: I have not purchased 'new' adult crickets for quite some time. This breeding bin I recently made is from offspring (of mine) going on the 4th round. It is however, offspring from batches of 1000's of pinheads. Prolific little buggers ! Just a thought ?

    As far as producing "non-smelly off spring'. Ha!
    Unlikely ! You could clean them more often though.
    It works wonders. lol

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    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
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    Lol! I've tried dermestid beetles and regular cleanings, but they are still far too smelly for my liking. I may have just been spoiled on my lovely roach collection; can keep a bin of 10,000 virtually untouched for a year and it will not smell nearly as bad as 1000 crickets in a weeks time. But unfortunately, many are not allowed to keep roaches, either by parents, spouse, or by law (Florida for many species)... so crickets are the best option as a visually stimulating meal.


    As for the cricket - he doesn't look too far off from some others that I have seen now that he is darkening up some, but he is still slightly unique. His wings still seem off, (not necessarily in a bad way, just not 100% normal) but its hard to judge accurately without seeing him in person; it could be a fluke from a molt or some other environmental conditions. He also has otherwise normal markings on the head and pronotum of a domestic cricket, dark patterning that still suggests more of a structural difference than color/pigmentation difference.

    That being said, you have the ability to physically see him and compare him to the others in your culture. He clearly stands out significantly enough to you, so breeding him may be something worthwhile still. He is an adorable little fellow, worst thing that happens is you get normal crickets, which can just be fed off to your froggies like the others you are breeding = )
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreH View Post
    Lol! I've tried dermestid beetles and regular cleanings, but they are still far too smelly for my liking. I may have just been spoiled on my lovely roach collection; can keep a bin of 10,000 virtually untouched for a year and it will not smell nearly as bad as 1000 crickets in a weeks time. But unfortunately, many are not allowed to keep roaches, either by parents, spouse, or by law (Florida for many species)... so crickets are the best option as a visually stimulating meal.


    As for the cricket - he doesn't look too far off from some others that I have seen now that he is darkening up some, but he is still slightly unique. His wings still seem off, (not necessarily in a bad way, just not 100% normal) but its hard to judge accurately without seeing him in person; it could be a fluke from a molt or some other environmental conditions. He also has otherwise normal markings on the head and pronotum of a domestic cricket, dark patterning that still suggests more of a structural difference than color/pigmentation difference.

    That being said, you have the ability to physically see him and compare him to the others in your culture. He clearly stands out significantly enough to you, so breeding him may be something worthwhile still. He is an adorable little fellow, worst thing that happens is you get normal crickets, which can just be fed off to your froggies like the others you are breeding = )
    Okay,
    I'm willing to do this,a he dose not ( at the moment) look like the others.
    I will set-up a little palace for him.
    I'll keep you posted.
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    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    I've kept NZ native and the South African mantids and occasionally during shedding they will lose the tips of their legs and damage their wings so maybe Casper damaged his wings during shedding which could explain the "off" wings.
    I thought of an advantage to white crickets they stand out easier so young frogs learning the ropes can find food easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whistly View Post
    I've kept NZ native and the South African mantids and occasionally during shedding they will lose the tips of their legs and damage their wings so maybe Casper damaged his wings during shedding which could explain the "off" wings.
    I thought of an advantage to white crickets they stand out easier so young frogs learning the ropes can find food easier.
    That is a observation and thought, but a lot of amphibians and reptiles see not only normal light, but UVA radiation as well. If the crickets lose the pigmentation that reflects the UVA radiation it may make them more difficult to find. This would of course not be true for all species. Its still a very interesting thought.


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