A few new retf pics as they wake up this evening :)

[Heatheranne]

Okay, first of all I refuse to argue on a respectable forum. I never claim to be always right. I am not a vet and I am respectful of that. When I do not know the answers to any questions, I refer to a vet so that no harm is done and so that any needed treatment is not delayed.

I even took your advice into consideration. I also did more research. I am never oblivious to their needs. I always try to provide the best care I can. Mine have been adopted, cured and are pets also. I spend a couple hours a night doing their chores and monitoring their behaviors. Please know their health is of utmost importance to me. I apologize if my wording came across wrong. It was not my intention. Though, I do give them the best husbandry possible and continue to update my education as new data arises.

I mean no disrespect, though please know I am very educated to their care and medical care. I have not experienced every health ailment they could possibly encounter. I am not a herp vet by any means.

If you've encountered several vets that did not know the answer to your frogs ailment, then why would expect that I must? Lipid keratopathy is more common in Whites tree frogs and Cuban tree frogs. For this purpose, my Cuban is limited in his amount of food now that he is well taken care of. And i never feed waxies just to be cautious. He was a plant shop refugee.

I will always take into consideration advice from those more educated and I never look down upon those with less education, because we all start somewhere. I share my education so that others can learn. What I don't know I research from different literature and compare data for accuracy before teaching that data.

I'm just here to share education, share our frogs and stories and to enjoy the hobby.

Please, however, be cautious of your tone. You have now spoken in a demeaning manner to two forum moderators.

All of my frogs are healthy, eating well, properly hydrated, with no wounds or issues and happily communicate with other each night. I have no territorial issues and they even cuddle up on leaves together to sleep in the daytime .

I love my frogs .

If you have any other comments that are not pleasant towards this topic, please msg me privately, as I do not believe in having disrespect for one another in public.

I do appreciate your experience with frogs and I have reached out to a great breeder as for confirmation and any further advice. I want my frogs as healthy as possible .

I just wanted to also mention that I am a kind person that always tries to help everyone both here and in my job and life, so I may have taken your tone as less than pleasant. This may be my own perception and if that is the case, I apologize.

Please do share your experiences if they are helpful to others. I believe each of us may experience different situations with our amphibians and both good and bad experiences can be beneficial to their future and our education. Hands on experience is often the most valuable of all.

Please, other members, all is well here and take these last few posts for their education and not as banter. If the conversation continues to lead in a bad direction I will delete it, even though I like the pictures and conversations we have shared in this thread. As pleasant as I may be, I will not tolerate disrespect among members because we want the forum to be a nice, open place for everyone to share and I don't want anyone to feel cautious about posting about their needs or questions.

We try our best here to always be open to helping everyone, no matter what the issue.

Thanks so much,
Heath

I will still update later today .

[andaroo]

Okay, first of all I refuse to argue on a respectable forum. I never claim to be always right. I am not a vet and I am respectful of that. When I do not know the answers to any questions, I refer to a vet so that no harm is done and so that any needed treatment is not delayed.

I even took your advice into consideration. I also did more research. I am never oblivious to their needs. I always try to provide the best care I can. Mine have been adopted, cured and are pets also. I spend a couple hours a night doing their chores and monitoring their behaviors. Please know their health is of utmost importance to me. I apologize if my wording came across wrong. It was not my intention. Though, I do give them the best husbandry possible and continue to update my education as new data arises.

I mean no disrespect, though please know I am very educated to their care and medical care. I have not experienced every health ailment they could possibly encounter. I am not a herp vet by any means.

If you've encountered several vets that did not know the answer to your frogs ailment, then why would expect that I must? Lipid keratopathy is more common in Whites tree frogs and Cuban tree frogs. For this purpose, my Cuban is limited in his amount of food now that he is well taken care of. And i never feed waxies just to be cautious. He was a plant shop refugee.

I will always take into consideration advice from those more educated and I never look down upon those with less education, because we all start somewhere. I share my education so that others can learn. What I don't know I research from different literature and compare data for accuracy before teaching that data.

I'm just here to share education, share our frogs and stories and to enjoy the hobby.

Please, however, be cautious of your tone. You have now spoken in a demeaning manner to two forum moderators.

All of my frogs are healthy, eating well, properly hydrated, with no wounds or issues and happily communicate with other each night. I have no territorial issues and they even cuddle up on leaves together to sleep in the daytime .

I love my frogs .

If you have any other comments that are not pleasant towards this topic, please msg me privately, as I do not believe in having disrespect for one another in public.

I do appreciate your experience with frogs and I have reached out to a great breeder as for confirmation and any further advice. I want my frogs as healthy as possible .

I just wanted to also mention that I am a kind person that always tries to help everyone both here and in my job and life, so I may have taken your tone as less than pleasant. This may be my own perception and if that is the case, I apologize.

Please do share your experiences if they are helpful to others. I believe each of us may experience different situations with our amphibians and both good and bad experiences can be beneficial to their future and our education. Hands on experience is often the most valuable of all.

Please, other members, all is well here and take these last few posts for their education and not as banter. If the conversation continues to lead in a bad direction I will delete it, even though I like the pictures and conversations we have shared in this thread. As pleasant as I may be, I will not tolerate disrespect among members because we want the forum to be a nice, open place for everyone to share and I don't want anyone to feel cautious about posting about their needs or questions.

We try our best here to always be open to helping everyone, no matter what the issue.

Thanks so much,
Heath

I will still update later today .

It's hard to pick up on the correct tone of the message through text. My intention was never to come across as rude or offensive. While I may be opinionated, at the end of the day I am here to offer my 2 cents based on my experiences. Whether you or whoever else reading takes it into consideration or not. We all started out as beginners and I believe that as a community we must provide our own experiences, good or bad in order to help each other out. Frog keeping isn't very popular at all. A lot of care sheets and documents can be very outdated as newer information comes to light from researchers and people like ourselves. I lean more towards peoples experiences than towards a care sheet, document or book that was written decades ago.

Andaroo, With all due respect, you do tend to be a bit combative with some of your posts, including one on one of my threads... It never hurts to be a bit gentler with your 'advice.' Heather's frogs look great - happy and healthy.

I never said her frogs didn't look great. They do! But I was just offering advice based on what I have experienced.