Not eating?

[demeteraurion]

my frogs seem to only eat when the lights are out. They'll stay still when it's day, but pounce on the sleeping crickets at night. maybe it's the lights?

I was also wondering what the lamisil treatment is? My PCFs are immune to the fungus that's taking the frogs by storm, but pacman's aren't...Could someone explain that to me please?

Rupert my pac just got done with his lamisil treatment, but he still flips and won't eat, although I'm hoping dubias change that. If you want to do it you can search the forum, there a lot of info. But in short, you treat the frog with 5 minute baths, 200ml water with 10 sprays of lamisil for 10 days. And after every bath you must disinfect everything. Thats why its easier to keep it in something like a critter keeper with paper towels. It's a lot of work lol

[GrifTheGreat]

Grif just shed weird. It was like he was trying to tear it off rather than pull it over his head and eat it like he normally does. I fear the worst n that I'm going to have to give him the chytrid treatment. I was really hoping that I would never have to do that. I've never seen him shed like that before. It sounds like a long grueling process. Now I guess I need to go buy the stuff.

[demeteraurion]

Hmm do you have any pics? Ruperts shed was a dark color and near the end of the treatment it became clear/white. It is a long tedious process but in the end it puts your mind at ease knowing chytrid is out of the question. Best of luck!!!

Oh yeah, I read if they are shedding moreso around his feed/belly it may by chytrid.

[Guenhwyvar]

Is chytrid common among captive bred pacman?

[GrifTheGreat]

I've got to try something. His shed was kind of dark but so is his natural color. I haven't seen any dry flakey spot either. He was constantly wiping his face n reaching up with his back legs to reach skin behind his head on his back. He couldn't reach it. I had to help him pull the skin off. I feel so bad for him. I'm a big animal person and it hurts me when they're suffering. Especially if there isn't really much I can do. Ill try the lamasil treatment. My fiance n I just got him an appointment at the vet for Monday. Hopefully they can help. I force fed him a cricket this morning and he wasn't too happy about having his mouth opened. He seemed to have trouble eating it too. I probably worry too much but he is the first I have ever had and I know they can go from fully healthy to extremely ill in the same day. I will keep everyone posted on his condition. Thanks for the support everyone. I didn't photograph the shed. Wish I would have. He doesn't have any redness either.

[demeteraurion]

‪Explanaition of Chytrid and How to treat it!‬‏ - YouTube

This video was very helpful for me, maybe it will help you guys too.

[GrifTheGreat]

Thanks a lot. I'm going to start his treatment tonight. I appreciate your help.

[GrifTheGreat]

What about keeping the quarentine tank humid? Should I use my fogger? Should I keep trying to feed him inbetween treatments? Did your frog get stressed from not being able to hide?

[demeteraurion]

I didn't have a problem with humidity, make sure the paper towel (if your using that ) is very wet and spray it down often. I used a little plastic shoe box with some holes cut in it and it worked well. If you are using your tank you can use the fogger I'm sure

You should try and feed him but you may want to toss out any non eaten food just to be safe.

If your frog likes to hide (mine usually just sits out) you can take a plastic tupperware, like what butter or whipped topping comes in, and cut out a door for him to hide, it will need to be disinfected too daily though.

[GrifTheGreat]

Ok thanks. He does like to hide so ill figure out a hiding spot for him.

[IvoryReptiles]

That is an excellent video for the treatment. We did this for 200 froglets from the first spawning we produced. As you can imagine, it was very time consuming so we now offer instructions to each individual purchaser.

We also noticed some odd behaviors in some of our earlier animals. The loss of appetite, the "flipping" and a weakness & loss of control of the front legs, water-logged frogs & excessive shed. We have since worked out alot of husbandry (mostly temperature) issues.

We add a small amount of liquid calcium to the water after it has been de-chlorinated when we do cleaning for the tadpoles. We also allowed Nature to take it's course in the early days of life as well.......yes, we allowed the cannibalism that occurs in Nature to happen. As a result, the metamorphed froglets are stronger & healthier than prior spawns were. We try to clean everything they come into contact with, if it cannot be decontaminated, it is disposed of. This keeps the possibility of Chytrid very low. Since the changes, we have not had any recurrence of the front leg issues or the "flipping".

[GrifTheGreat]

I took Grif to the vet today. Apparently he is anorexic. No signs of Chytrid or impaction though, so that's good. They gave him a Baytril injection to boost his appetite. He also has a de-wormer and antibiotic that I have to give him. The vet said that it was very, very good that I brought him in because apparently most people wait too long before they take them to a vet, and by that point it's usually too late. I am SO GLAD that we erred on the side of caution and took him to the vet. I love my little guy and would definitely rather pay the vet fee and be sure he's ok!!

I wouldn't have thought it would be so hard to find a vet that treats amphibians in a city this size, but I had to call several before I found one. I like this vet. He was very thorough. He asked all kinds of questions about Grif's symptoms, what he ate/how much/how often, temperature, humidity, environment, water treatment, if we use calcium supplement, etc. He has even been to Argentina and knew a bit about Pacmans! Now at least I have a good vet to take him to if something goes wrong (which hopefully it won't!) All the employees made a big fuss over Grif and said how adorable he was and took pictures of him to put on their bulletin board. Grif was a very good patient. Although he was grumpy when they gave him his shot. Poor thing!

I'm a little nervous about giving him medicine (it has to be squirted into his mouth). Hopefully he will cooperate. We'll see tonight if he eats anything tonight...I'll keep you posted! (Sorry for the long post!)

[demeteraurion]

Wow, I'm glad to hear about your frog, its strange he is anorexic O.O Never heard of such a thing. I wish I could take my little Rupert to the vet but I simply can not afford it at this time. There is an exotic vet in the next town but I have a feeling they wouldn't know a pacman frog from any other frog :/ Can't wait to see him improve

[GrifTheGreat]

Thanks Demeteraurion! I hope Rupert gets better soon!

[demeteraurion]

Thanks! I actually just checked out the vet's website and they have a promotion going, no examination fees for new patients but there website doesn't list amphibians, only some reptiles and turtles. I shot them an email so perhaps I'll get to go to the vet as well.

[GrifTheGreat]

I really hope they treat Rupert. I felt so helpless until now. I put him back in coco husk so he's really happy and buried himself right away. His color came back too. He was looking really pale from being on those paper towels. Grif is definetly not going to like taking his medicine, but then again who does.

[demeteraurion]

One thing that perplexes me is that Rupert won't burrow anymore. He did a lot when I first got him but not anymore. I have a moist side and a dryer side too. I just bought a new fluorescent blue light and am seeing if it helps up the temp.

Where did they inject Grif at? It must be hard giving a shot to such a small creature

[GrifTheGreat]

They gave him his shot in his leg. I held him while they did it so he wasn't too nervous because he's used to me and my voice. He puffed up a little but he was a good little patient.

That's odd that he won't dig anymore. I'm not sure what the reason would be, but is the dirt loose enough? Sometimes the substrate in Grif's tank gets compacted from spraying and he has trouble digging. I just loosen it up with my fingers a little and he digs away.

[demeteraurion]

I will try to fluff it up some more, I read somewhere that it should be packed down so I was trying it. I'm also going to move the heat mat to the side of the tank because its not doing great on the bottom, also might get a CHE. (returned the blue bulb b/c it didnt get hot lol)

[GrifTheGreat]

That's probably a good idea. By the way does your frog talk to you when you talk to him? Grif will make little popping noises with his throat when I talk to him or hold him. Its cute and I haven't read anything that talks about them making other noises besides croaking and a peep noise.