Still Sick Whites Tree Frog and frustrated!

[Tony]

I have never had eye problems following treatment, but I do allow the continuous spray version to sit out for a few minutes so some alcohol can evaporate. It is important that all parts of the frog come in contact with the solution so there is no way to avoid the eyes. I usually use an 8 oz deli cup and lid for treatment, I fill it halfway, put the frog in, and gently tilt it around so that the solution runs over the entire frog, then let them sit in it.

[ajfilbert]

Thanks everyone for the feedback. I will get the Lamasil today and start the treatments tonight. I did clean out the main tank and sterlize everything before I put the frog that is not sick back in it. Everything that couldn't be sterlized got thrown away.
The sick frog is now in its own "hopstial tank" with paper towels down (easy to clean up each day) with a bowl of water, a rock and plastic follage.
So you are saying that I should sterlize the hostial tank each day while he is soaking in the solution? Also, should I treat the frog that isn't sick, but shared a tank up until 4 days ago?

Thanks and I will let you know how he's doing.

[Tony]

So you are saying that I should sterlize the hostial tank each day while he is soaking in the solution? Also, should I treat the frog that isn't sick, but shared a tank up until 4 days ago?

Correct on both counts. Chytrid is very contagious, it is likely that the other frog was also infected and just hasn't become symptomatic yet.

[clownonfire]

I have never had eye problems following treatment, but I do allow the continuous spray version to sit out for a few minutes so some alcohol can evaporate. It is important that all parts of the frog come in contact with the solution so there is no way to avoid the eyes. I usually use an 8 oz deli cup and lid for treatment, I fill it halfway, put the frog in, and gently tilt it around so that the solution runs over the entire frog, then let them sit in it.

After an exchange with Corey and Fernando Licitra, here's what Corey had to say about the frog having to be submerged completely:

"My understanding was that it would get into the areas where the heaviest infestation of Chytrid would be (stomach/legs/areas that come in contact with the ground) and that some of these areas are where they absorb water from (drinking pads at the base of the legs/stomach), which would be how the drug got into the bloodstream and spread to the rest of the body - Chytrid is a systemic infection not just a topical one."

Fernando (Minhocao on this forum) is the one who his Phyllomedusa sauvagii lost an eye.

Any thoughts?

[ajfilbert]

WOW!
So could he be acting and starting to look kind of normal after one application??
I got a disposable tupperware dish w/ a lid (with holes) to put the frog (in the solution). I let him sit in it while I sterilized his tank. After 10 mins of soaking the skin on his back starting peeling right off! I was amazed! He is on antibiotics too, so it might be a combination of the 2, but I was very surprised!
I am throwing the tupperware dishes/lids in the dishwasher to sterilize them. That would work, don't you think??

[Tony]

WOW!
So could he be acting and starting to look kind of normal after one application??
I got a disposable tupperware dish w/ a lid (with holes) to put the frog (in the solution). I let him sit in it while I sterilized his tank. After 10 mins of soaking the skin on his back starting peeling right off! I was amazed! He is on antibiotics too, so it might be a combination of the 2, but I was very surprised!
I am throwing the tupperware dishes/lids in the dishwasher to sterilize them. That would work, don't you think??

It is very possible, removal of the dead layers of skin will allow the frog to breath more efficiently (a large portion of their oxygen intake is through the skin). The quick improvement is why I put the warning about continuing through the 10 day treatment even if the frog seems to be back to normal early on, he may look much better but the infection still needs to be 100% cured or he will relapse.

[ajfilbert]

It is very possible, removal of the dead layers of skin will allow the frog to breath more efficiently (a large portion of their oxygen intake is through the skin). The quick improvement is why I put the warning about continuing through the 10 day treatment even if the frog seems to be back to normal early on, he may look much better but the infection still needs to be 100% cured or he will relapse.

I will absolutely continue for the next 10 days! Thanks sooooo MUCH!!!

[Tony]

How is he doing? Still improving?

[ajfilbert]

He is doing better! Slowly! He is now fighting me over the antiboitcs I have to give him everyday and his sheding after the "baths" is getting better too! He still isn't eating his crickets, but started producing BM's yesterday.
Ill post a picture of his progress tomorrow! Thanks for asking!

[Tony]

After an exchange with Corey and Fernando Licitra, here's what Corey had to say about the frog having to be submerged completely:

"My understanding was that it would get into the areas where the heaviest infestation of Chytrid would be (stomach/legs/areas that come in contact with the ground) and that some of these areas are where they absorb water from (drinking pads at the base of the legs/stomach), which would be how the drug got into the bloodstream and spread to the rest of the body - Chytrid is a systemic infection not just a topical one."

Fernando (Minhocao on this forum) is the one who his Phyllomedusa sauvagii lost an eye.

Any thoughts?

It is not necessary that the frog is submerged completely, only that some of the solution is splashed over the top parts of the frog during treatment. The highest concentration of fungus does seem to be on the drinking patch, belly, and legs from the papers I have read.