Another Big Eye problem

[Tony]

Your vet will explain the procedure if it is a necessary part of the treatment plan.

[Dizzl]

He was inactive before this enclosure,but can someone tll me how to force feed a tree frog?

You do not have the experience to be trying to force feed any animal let alone a frog that is so delicate. Your best bet is to look on craigslist for a new tank that fits the frogs needs. That is what I did, my 30 gallon long cost me $20 and it came with a stand that holds two tanks. Also since you are only 12 you should be talking to your parents about the needs of your frog and do research with them on the proper care for your species, then make a list of the things you need. And ask them if you can do extra chores to make money or for them to buy you the supplies you need. That is what my 12 and 15 year old boys do when they need money for something. Also you should be thinking about getting a frog that is better suited to your skill level. You can buy live plants on-line, I'm pretty sure that Josh's frogs sells a wide variety of live plants with many of them being fairly cheap in price.

[BigEye]

Ok, live plants and a new cage isn't gonna get him eating again(I'm gonna try to get those as soon as possible). My frog is skinny and won't eat, he baraly cares to open his eyes when i pick him up. I'm not going to a vet because i'm not dishing out $120 i don't have and it would be easier to by awhole new cage and frogs with that kind of money.
Call me stubborn and newbish but that is the way it is with my parents and me.
All the vets in my area don't even know that much about exotics anyways, all the reviews are "my cat is so healthy or my dog is better now".

[LilyPad]

Ok, live plants and a new cage isn't gonna get him eating again(I'm gonna try to get those as soon as possible). My frog is skinny and won't eat, he baraly cares to open his eyes when i pick him up. I'm not going to a vet because i'm not dishing out $120 i don't have and it would be easier to by awhole new cage and frogs with that kind of money.
Call me stubborn and newbish but that is the way it is with my parents and me.
All the vets in my area don't even know that much about exotics anyways, all the reviews are "my cat is so healthy or my dog is better now".

Don't get another one if that is your attitude towards pets

[BigEye]

Hey i wanted to bring my first one to the vet, not my decision.
My dad didn't want to spend that much on a $15 frog and i don't have vet money.
Probably should've just called and asked the petstore guy.
Well another one is probably gonna bite the dust.

[Tony]

Hey i wanted to bring my first one to the vet, not my decision.
My dad didn't want to spend that much on a $15 frog and i don't have vet money.
Probably should've just called and asked the petstore guy.
Well another one is probably gonna bite the dust.

Do yourself and the frogs a favor by not getting any more pets at least until you are old enough to get a job and be a responsible owner.

[LilyPad]

I am sympathetic to the fact that you're only 12. When I was 12, I had a cat, MY cat, and he had diabetes. Anyone who has gone through this knows how pricey it can be. There were a lot of medications and vet visits and they were my responsibility. I had a paper route, I babysat, I did an excessive amount of chores, I helped family members with yard work. I did everything that I could to cover his expenses, right down to the cost of having him euthanized when his quality of life declined to a point that he couldn't come back from.

After he passed, I knew that I didn't want to spend every spare minute working and doing chores to earn money for a sick animal. I didn't get anymore pets until I was 18 and capable of caring for them.

And just so you know, the cat was FREE, didn't even cost me $15.

I am sorry that you're losing your frog and can't afford to take care of it properly. My advice is to lay off the pets then for a while if your parents aren't willing to help you out and you can't afford to take care of it properly. It's unfair that frogs should suffer and die a drawn out death because of it.

[Baelari]

Just to be sure, are you treating the water you use, and not touching the frog?

[BigEye]

I am sympathetic to the fact that you're only 12. When I was 12, I had a cat, MY cat, and he had diabetes. Anyone who has gone through this knows how pricey it can be. There were a lot of medications and vet visits and they were my responsibility. I had a paper route, I babysat, I did an excessive amount of chores, I helped family members with yard work. I did everything that I could to cover his expenses, right down to the cost of having him euthanized when his quality of life declined to a point that he couldn't come back from.

After he passed, I knew that I didn't want to spend every spare minute working and doing chores to earn money for a sick animal. I didn't get anymore pets until I was 18 and capable of caring for them.

And just so you know, the cat was FREE, didn't even cost me $15.

I am sorry that you're losing your frog and can't afford to take care of it properly. My advice is to lay off the pets then for a while if your parents aren't willing to help you out and you can't afford to take care of it properly. It's unfair that frogs should suffer and die a drawn out death because of it.

I should just stick with tarantulas for a while.
But one last idea, could he be hibernating by instinct? He hasn't eaten in 2 weeks, doesn't open his eyes(maybe once or twice under warm water, and hasn't lost any weight in that 2 weeks.

[BigEye]

I'm also going to spend a chunk of july in Seattle doing road shows with my Dad.
up to $$$300

[artes]

Unless you have a scale to weigh him, you likely wouldn't notice if he was losing weight. Hard to see frogs that weigh only grams dropping... grams.

I am sympathetic, but I'm going to have to side with everybody else here - just don't get any more pets. Period. If you're not willing to spend money to vet them when they're sick, to get them proper set ups, and to make sure they actually have a proper quality of life, and if your parents aren't willing to help, then don't get them. Animals aren't disposable creatures. They're living beings with feelings that are relying on you to care for them.

I've spent over 1000$ on vet bills for one group of animals. One of them specifically cost 750$ by the time his vet bills were done. What type of animals were this group? Rats. The 750$ one quit breathing on his own late at night, so I rushed him to an animal ER and got him on oxygen. It turned out he had gotten pneumonia somehow. The ER visit was 500$ by itself. I have a cat that showed up abandoned in my yard who has cost me 1100$ in vet bills so far, and he's not even 2 years old yet (he has ulcerative colitis).

I am unemployed currently, and have been for a year (the company I was working for downsized, and I haven't been able to find anything else). Most of these vet bills went on credit cards that I'll probably be paying off until I die. But because I love my animals, and they are my responsibility, I took care of them.

So, I'm going to have to request you learn some responsibility and get some respect for life before buying another animal. This include tarantulas. Those are living creatures too.

[BigEye]

Unless you have a scale to weigh him, you likely wouldn't notice if he was losing weight. Hard to see frogs that weigh only grams dropping... grams.

I am sympathetic, but I'm going to have to side with everybody else here - just don't get any more pets. Period. If you're not willing to spend money to vet them when they're sick, to get them proper set ups, and to make sure they actually have a proper quality of life, and if your parents aren't willing to help, then don't get them. Animals aren't disposable creatures. They're living beings with feelings that are relying on you to care for them.

I've spent over 1000$ on vet bills for one group of animals. One of them specifically cost 750$ by the time his vet bills were done. What type of animals were this group? Rats. The 750$ one quit breathing on his own late at night, so I rushed him to an animal ER and got him on oxygen. It turned out he had gotten pneumonia somehow. The ER visit was 500$ by itself. I have a cat that showed up abandoned in my yard who has cost me 1100$ in vet bills so far, and he's not even 2 years old yet (he has ulcerative colitis).

I am unemployed currently, and have been for a year (the company I was working for downsized, and I haven't been able to find anything else). Most of these vet bills went on credit cards that I'll probably be paying off until I die. But because I love my animals, and they are my responsibility, I took care of them.

So, I'm going to have to request you learn some responsibility and get some respect for life before buying another animal. This include tarantulas. Those are living creatures too.

I've had some tarantulas for a couple years now, that's insulting.
Your also not answering my questions. You are just calling me irresponsible.
That is whats making me mad. So can someone help me save the frog at least?
Instead of let it die. The vet is out of the question, the time it would take me to save up the frog would be dead.

[artes]

You were told how. He is stressed out. He needs a bigger enclosure with plants to hide in/on/behind. You need to look up a care sheet and make sure he has the correct temperatures and humidity levels. If you have to, you might have to pick up a heater along with the tank. A 20 gallon high tank will cost 40$ at PetCo. The lid should be around 15$. The heater will be around 20-30$. You will need at least 2 blocks of Eco Earth. You will need a large enough pool for him to sit in, but not drown. You will need at least three plants. You can go to Wal-Mart or Lowes and get Ficus or Bromeliads, and a Pothos (or get a fake climbing vine at PetCo, that might be your best bet). If you use plants from those stores, take them home, remove them from the dirt that they are in, and rinse them very well to remove traces of plant food. Hang vine, plant plants, put a pool below one of the plants (not a ficus, they like to drop leaves for no reason - put below the bromeliad on the warm side).

Give him about two days to get used to the enclosure. If you want, use a small ceramic or glass bowl to put in two waxworms. Do not try to feed crickets during this time.

After two days, offer three calcium dusted crickets. If he doesn't eat them in 1 hour, remove the crickets, try again the next day.

[LilyPad]

Everyone here has tried to help you, helping your frog is going to cost money though.

[artes]

And I was so hard on you due to some of your other comments, like how you'd rather spend the money on a new frog, and how you initially said you took the first frog to the vet, then later said your dad wouldn't let you.

There is no free way to fix your frog. You need to fix his enclosure, and then you might still have to take him to the vet if the enclosure/set up fixing doesn't do the trick (although it should).

[BigEye]

I'll try to get money out of my dad to get those, in the meantime,thanks i got pretty worked up there trying to think of clever comebacks

[John]

You've gotten sound advice here. If you can't afford to take the frog to the vet, really there is no shame in that. However, it won't survive in its current state without a vet's intervention and treatment. So please follow the advice from the other people - don't get another frog until you have the resources and have done the research in order to give a good home.

[Dubski]

dude don't force feed, you're probably stressing him out, make sure you dont have too many crickets in there with him, don't mess with him, pretend like he's not even there, you can even hold off on feeding him for a day. But yeah the most important thing is space, and 5 gallons won't cut it, im sorry but its almost cruel. stress is very important too, you could try covering the tank up so he/she cant see you, keep it on there for a week or two. just remember to change water and mist(no tap or city, unless you have dechlorinator) and throw in a cricket or two every day, but make sure you check to see if the other ones are still in there, in that case don' t put anymore in. Try not to be anywhere near the tank, I know the frog looks asleep when u come up to it, but they can see everything. it's tempting, but don't do it. thats the only additional info i could spare