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    Rat The Unloved
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    It's a bit tricky, actually. AND you should ALWAYS check laws in your country, state and county. PLEASE, CHECK YOUR LOCAL LAWS. The below is NOT legal advice, but rather based on responsibility and morality.

    1: If you've taken something from the wild, and keep it by itself, you can release it back into the wild.

    2: If you've taken something from the wild, and keep it with OTHER wild stuff, you can release it back into the wild.

    3: If you've taken something from the wild, and keep it with non-native and/or pet trade stuff, be cautious. If it has parasites or disease, DO NOT release it.

    3: If it's from the pet trade (even if it's native), or not native to where you live, DO NOT release it.

    The obvious alternative to euthanasia is to give them (or sell them) or sell them to other local keepers looking for already-raised animals. OR, to build a proper (escape-proof) outdoor enclosure for them.
    Last edited by Rat The Unloved; May 23rd, 2011 at 11:05 PM. Reason: legal clarification

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat The Unloved View Post
    It's a bit tricky, actually. AND you should ALWAYS check laws in your country, state and county. PLEASE, CHECK YOUR LOCAL LAWS. The below is NOT legal advice, but rather based on responsibility and morality.

    1: If you've taken something from the wild, and keep it by itself, you can release it back into the wild.

    2: If you've taken something from the wild, and keep it with OTHER wild stuff, you can release it back into the wild.

    3: If you've taken something from the wild, and keep it with non-native and/or pet trade stuff, be cautious. If it has parasites or disease, DO NOT release it.

    3: If it's from the pet trade (even if it's native), or not native to where you live, DO NOT release it.

    The obvious alternative to euthanasia is to give them (or sell them) or sell them to other local keepers looking for already-raised animals. OR, to build a proper (escape-proof) outdoor enclosure for them.
    I may treat them with panacure and some other stuff even if I don't it may have something. JUST to be safe. Ill treat for general parasites. General fungus, and general bacteria. Then slowly introduce it to wild bacteria from the ponds I gathered the parents.

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    Rat The Unloved
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    I don't think you got what I was saying. I didn't say "Treat it and release it", I said "don't release it." - Panacur won't kill everything. The commercial treatments most pet owners can get won't kill off some of the more exotic stuff.

    There was an incident with a native bird being rehabilitated with non-natives, and catching malaria here in Oklahoma. The bird was released, and because of that there's a high chance that malaria was introduced to the state. This is a disease which can, and does, effect humans as well. There is "Fish tuberculosis" which can jump to humans, and is not easily treated. Any aquatic animals can carry "Fish TB", from what I understand.

    It's a moral and ethical issue, that's what I was getting at. And depending upon your local laws, it can be a legal issue as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rat The Unloved View Post
    I don't think you got what I was saying. I didn't say "Treat it and release it", I said "don't release it." - Panacur won't kill everything. The commercial treatments most pet owners can get won't kill off some of the more exotic stuff.

    There was an incident with a native bird being rehabilitated with non-natives, and catching malaria here in Oklahoma. The bird was released, and because of that there's a high chance that malaria was introduced to the state. This is a disease which can, and does, effect humans as well. There is "Fish tuberculosis" which can jump to humans, and is not easily treated. Any aquatic animals can carry "Fish TB", from what I understand.

    It's a moral and ethical issue, that's what I was getting at. And depending upon your local laws, it can be a legal issue as well.
    mk so in your opinion what should I do? I don't want to kill them.

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    I would release them i think it is ok but you should have not raised and picked up the parents if you plan on killing them but i would release them.

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    I would release them i think it is ok but you should have not raised and picked up the parents if you plan on killing them but i would release them.
    I'm not going to kill them. lol. I picked up the parents on planning for raising them and releasing a great amount of them back in the wild as a mini-project but some "activist" are telling me that it has an adverse side effect because they may now carry some pathogens and whatnot. It's kinda confusing--- first they talk about saving the planet and helping the ecosystem, then they say its not good to help them breed? lol. Sorry its just mind puzzling.

    Anywho I have a few ideas of what I can do--- but I rather know what people think I should do.

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    They are so young they should be fine if you release them, it's doubtful they'll have anything. They are very right though, any caught animal released back into the wild after any length of time in captivity risks spreading some bacteria or microb picked up while inside or from food provided to them. Fish food for example.

    You've already said it yourself, they where exposed somehow to some parasidic worm already. Who knows where that came from, the parents, water brought in from inside, or some thing else introduced during the growth cycle.

    And please get off this kick that you are "helping them breed", helping them breed would have been leaving them where they where and letting the natural cycle take it's place. Breeding two adult toads that are free of parasites and other nasties is another matter.

    If you do keep them outdoors in a tank be sure it's sealed and not just with some filmsy mesh top either. Any racoon or opposum worth it's weight will break into that with ease to get at the fruit and the toadlets. They'd have a better chance in the wild then as sitting ducks in a little tank.

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