Throat spots always=male?

[frogmike]

I know that a male usually has a darkly spotted throat, but if the spots are faint on adults, does that still mean they are male. The frog that I am questioning has a male shaped snout and is 5" long. It only makes a noise when it doesn't want to be picked up, and that isn't a croak or chirp. It sounds more like a fat guy bending over to pick something up, or being punched in the stomach. It also opens its mouth to make this noise, instead of blowing out its throat skin. I have two confirmed males and I'm trying to start breeding them again this year. If you click the thumbnail, you can see the faint spots on its throat.

[5280]

Looks to be female in my opinion.

[frogmike]

Think its a dude.

[5280]

Unless your frogs are on steroids, you're generally not going to see a 5'' Cranwelli male.

[frogmike]

If you click on the thumbnail, you can see the faint spots on its throat. This frog is not the same frog used as my avatar.(My avatar is a 5 month old 5" long and loud male) Oh yeah, they love love the "roids", no but they, like all the local reptiles where I live, are larger due to the unusually high amount of oxygen. So this is a cran? What's the difference in crans and ornates?

[pyxieBob]

Looks female to me also. And yes a 5" cranwelli male is not going to happen. Iv had females with pure black throats for sure. The spots on the throat dosnt have much of anything tot do w gender, cool frog tho

[frogmike]

Is there a test at a vet or something that can be done? I know breeders don't just guess. urine test maybe? and if not, then what is the female snout supposed to look like?

[5280]

The amount of oxygen where you live is not going to make a Ceratophrys larger than one where someone else lives. I don't know about a vet test to determine sex, check with an animal vet with a herp specialist. The snout sexing is another unreliable way to sex frogs, and has a very mediocre rate of success. The way it's supposed to work is that a male has more of a flat snout and a female has a larger, more rounded snout. I've had moderate success with my guesses sexing this way, but it's definitely not a for sure way to sex horned frogs. Lastly, size is the best way to sex Ceratophrys far and away in my opinion. Hope this helps.

[pac]

i think that a female because i have a female and she is only a year and i have a male albino that isnt that big and he is two years to tell the difference a cran and ornate a ornate has two dots on their horns and ornates are green all there life cran turns **** brown when they get bigger and ornates are very arggessive when eating just like a pxyie

[frogmike]

my crans are very agressive when eating. prolly why there so huge. they would eat a mouse every day if i offered it. They always jump up at the mouse before i can put it down in the cage. I have ended up throwing the severed tail left in my fingers in the trash quite a few times. So far, they haven't bit me after becoming aduts, thankfully. I guess they learned that my fingers are not food while they were little.