Atelopus hoogmoedi - Vivarium

[5280]

Eric, incredibly helpful thread. I was worried about the running water feature myself and stressing about how I would successfully house these guys. I'm gonna pass on a water feature as well now. I don't mean to hijack your thread, just want to say thanks for posting this. Keep us posted on your viv build, maybe we'll compare pictures when we're both done.

Also, have you decided on any plants to use, I'm struggling with that as well. Good luck man.

[clownonfire]

Eric, incredibly helpful thread. I was worried about the running water feature myself and stressing about how I would successfully house these guys. I'm gonna pass on a water feature as well now. I don't mean to hijack your thread, just want to say thanks for posting this. Keep us posted on your viv build, maybe we'll compare pictures when we're both done.

Also, have you decided on any plants to use, I'm struggling with that as well. Good luck man.

By all means, if you have anything to add, suggestions and ideas, feel free to hijack this thread as much as you want.

As for plants, I will add a few Alocasia and Philodendron to make sure they have leaves to perch on. I'll make sure to add a few climbers too like ficus pumilia. I still am looking for 1-2 more ideas... Anyone?

[5280]

Hey Eric, what temp and humidity range are you going to keep your guys at???

[clownonfire]

Through the roof!

Around 90%.

Tonight, I added bark to the vivarium. I tried sticking it with silicone, but as the bark was too uneven, it was hard to stick a large surface on the glass.

So I reverted to foam. And foam worked.

EDIT: I've been suggested to perhaps lower the humidity. It was hinted that 65-85% could be a better range.

[clownonfire]

I have received the toads today. They will be at my friend's house until May 17th. I have been trying to find proper information for the tank. People on DB have been helpful, thank you. And I was invited on a Facebook group on the Atelopus spumarius by one of their mod so I can have accurate info on the best environment. Here's info I'd like to share back.

Big thanks again to Ed Kowalski and Shawn Harrington.

On humidity:

Ed: "You can have decent air flow and still have a decent relative humidity. I'm not sure what people keep thier tintorius in 90% plus humidity as outside of a rainstorm or microniches it doesn't usually get that high where the frogs are from.. for example in the Sipilawini Savannah area the average RH is between 60-85% and that is with air flow....

These guys migrate up and away from the streams.
I kept the toads initially in ten gallon tanks with only half of the tank covered with a sheet of glass to keep the humidity up with some hides for the toads if they wanted a higher RH. Later I kept them in verticle ten gallons with a 3 inch vent screen and a fan that would blow air past the front of the tank encouraging air exchange."

Shawn: I have found mine to 'seem' happier with a high humidity environment and some available water, even in the QT container.

There you go. Out of respect for the hobbyists that are helping me, I will not repost info anymore. So once I am set and my tank is done, I will try and work on a care sheet. This will not be done in time for the contest.

Eric

[Ebony]

Wow! Eric..You really have been busy .

[bshmerlie]

This is great info Eric. Any ideas out there on why the male to female ratio would be so extreme? It would think it would be very difficult if not impossible to ever get them established in the hobby with a 25 to 1 ratio.

[clownonfire]

This is great info Eric. Any ideas out there on why the male to female ratio would be so extreme? It would think it would be very difficult if not impossible to ever get them established in the hobby with a 25 to 1 ratio.

I have read that some females die during amplexus because of the length of it. Some other females also when gravid and if they do not release the eggs. I'll make sure I write back if and when I get more on this.

There are currently efforts in gathering Atelopus owners, with the list of what they own to see if breeding efforts can be combined.