Pacman Frog Too Fat?

[Froggiefressh]

besides putting your frog on a diet my friend and I exercise our frogs. yah i know it sounds wrong but we do touch them.. pretty much play with them. We use a small room with easy to clean floors(poop will happen :P) and we make lots of ramps and things to climb through and yes we do disinfect everything xD we cover everything in water so that the frogs skin doesn't get irritated and we set a bowl of water in the middle of the room so its easy for them to get to. we pick up as many frogs as we can and try to get them to balance on our arms and we set tree frogs up on the walls so they have to climb down themself we put frogs inside of logs with worms on one side so they have to crawl for their food and we have glass sheets that we dunk in water and put a frog on and tilt the glass so they have to climb up the glass to stay on top. The water frogs are a little different... for them we drop tubes in their tank that they can swim through and tiny hoops they can go through. Once i even did a circus act with on of my white tree frogs. I made a duck tape tie and tied it on his head with this rubbery wet stuff that doesn't hurt frogs. I put my finger on one side of a hoop and he would jump through. I held my finger in the sky and he would jump onto it. i put him on my shoulder and walked around and he didnt move an inch. Suprisingly you can actualy train frogs. They don't ever get what you want them to do and they're not like dogs at all. I baited my fringer with what looked like a worm and the frog would go after it. Now the frog will go after my finger without the bait. Most people tell you not to handle your frog so not everyone should do this but if your a cautios and are good at getting things clean then you could probaly do this.

I'm not trolling or trying to put you down, but I would never do this. First off covering everything in water is not disinfecting anything. If they're any chemicals on the floor or on the wall or even on the "ramps" and what not, it will be absorbed through your frog's skin. Even handling your frogs without gloves poses a big health risk to the animal. Even the most cautious people cannot get rid of harmful substances. In my opinion if my cranwelli or any other frog needs exercise they will exercise themselves. Exercising your frogs like this will probably do nothing for them, but shorten there lives. Frogs are observational animals only besides using gloves, but why even do that if you don't have too? You're only causing more stress which will ultimately lead to death. If that doesn't bother you, then you should not be keeping frogs. Once again I'm not trying to be that guy who has to put his two cents in, but I felt this is needed for you and future frog keepers!

[DVirginiana]

Spazzum, on a completely non-frog-related note, the thread you replied to is very old. I noticed you're new, so if you want to start a new thread with its own title you will probably get more responses and less confusion than posting on an old one

I agree with pretty much everything Greg said. Though, if you are not handling a frog for very long, just washing your hands without soap is generally okay, they really shouldn't be handled often. There is nothing wrong with adding enrichment items to your frogs' habitats (like putting tubes in an aquatic frog's enclosure), but taking them out and handling them for extended periods (especially frogs like pacmans that prefer to stay burrowed and still most of the time, and aren't designed to hold onto things or climb) will stress them out. I couldn't tell if you were just using water or if you meant you used disinfectant on the items you put your frogs on, but I would advise against using any sort of disinfectant on anything your frogs touch. Even very small amounts of most household cleaners can kill a frog if they come into contact with it. One other thing to look out for is that exposure to water that hasn't been dechlorinated and deaminated can harm frogs as well (you didn't mention whether the water you were using was treated or not).
There are safer ways to interact with your frogs that don't pose as much of a risk to them; better safe than sorry!

[GrifTheGreat]

You guys are about to open up an old wound. Malcolm. the frog in question here in this thread. passed away suddenly nearly a year ago. I do not think it is a good idea to revive. this thread. I realize that none of you probably know, but I thought I should let you know. MeTree was quite upset. this is definetly. one that should be let be.

Malcolm wasn't. fat at all he looked perfectly healthy when he passed.

[danhm87]

Been Following you for some time nao Griff... I got a baby pacman frog about 2 1/2 weeks ago from petco and had no idea what i got myself into... (as i live in TN where it is dry and cold)

However, with your advice and reading almost ALL your posts...ahaha... I've come to a comfortable place with my frog... He didnt eat the first week at all cause i couldnt keep the HUM and TEMP high enough... but after "borrowing" a humidifier and 2 UTH from Petco and a bunch of other stuff I got the frog eating regularly and seems to be happy... Jumps around a lot when he isnt burrowed up all snuggly like..

However, I do have some problems now...

1) I am afraid I feed him too much mealworms... I have an abundance and running low on crickets... also he friggin loves them.... but is he getting too much fat in his diet?
2) I didnt have any more spring water so i had to fill the Humidifier last night with regular tap water... however i cant use the dechlorinator for it as it is slimy and will f*** up my very expensive humidifier (ultrasonic)... You get where with is going... "oh **** is all that chlorine getting into the mist?) I am very scared nao

and

3)I want to make my pacman frog a killer... Should i exercise him to make him more beast? how do i go about doing that? Do you handle your frogs a lot to get them used to you?


Oh yea, Temps are perfect (80 at night and 83-85 in day) and humidity stays at 80% as i have a timer tweaked to my humidifier. Coco-fiber-ecoearth with some live plants and a few water dishes...
Feel like the setup is good but need help with finer questions.. mainly about the Humidifier.


Once again thank you so much for your massive contribution to the internet community of Frog lovers

Dr. Okami

[GrifTheGreat]

Been Following you for some time nao Griff... I got a baby pacman frog about 2 1/2 weeks ago from petco and had no idea what i got myself into... (as i live in TN where it is dry and cold)

However, with your advice and reading almost ALL your posts...ahaha... I've come to a comfortable place with my frog... He didnt eat the first week at all cause i couldnt keep the HUM and TEMP high enough... but after "borrowing" a humidifier and 2 UTH from Petco and a bunch of other stuff I got the frog eating regularly and seems to be happy... Jumps around a lot when he isnt burrowed up all snuggly like..

However, I do have some problems now...

1) I am afraid I feed him too much mealworms... I have an abundance and running low on crickets... also he friggin loves them.... but is he getting too much fat in his diet?
2) I didnt have any more spring water so i had to fill the Humidifier last night with regular tap water... however i cant use the dechlorinator for it as it is slimy and will f*** up my very expensive humidifier (ultrasonic)... You get where with is going... "oh **** is all that chlorine getting into the mist?) I am very scared nao

and

3)I want to make my pacman frog a killer... Should i exercise him to make him more beast? how do i go about doing that? Do you handle your frogs a lot to get them used to you?


Oh yea, Temps are perfect (80 at night and 83-85 in day) and humidity stays at 80% as i have a timer tweaked to my humidifier. Coco-fiber-ecoearth with some live plants and a few water dishes...
Feel like the setup is good but need help with finer questions.. mainly about the Humidifier.


Once again thank you so much for your massive contribution to the internet community of Frog lovers

Dr. Okami

Hello Doc

Welcome to Frog Forum.

First ill address the Mealworms. Mealworms are dangerous to feed to your Pacman in large amounts. Their exoskeleton is comprised of a chitin that is difficult to digest and can cause an impaction(severe constipation) which can lead to death. They aren't very fattening so no worries there. Get some night crawlers and offer appropriately sized pieces or if your frog is large enough whole worms.

How large is your frog SVL(Snout to Vent Length)?

Second about the Humidifier. Yes the chlorine is coming out into the mist. You'll need to go buy some distilled water immediately and change out that water. Spring water is fine too. Distilled can be used in the humidifier, but be sure to use the spring water in his water dishes. DO NOT DISTILLED WATER OR UNTREATED TAP WATER IN HIS WATER DISHES OR TO EXPAND HIS SUBSTRATE.

Third each individual frog is different. Some will grow larger than others and proper nutrition and supplements assist in giving your frog what it needs to reach full potential. I'm not one for molding them into giant monster frogs. I offer what they need to be healthy and happy. Their body and genetics do the rest.

Do you use a multivitamin supplement powder or Calcium powder with Vitamin D3?

Handling is usually frowned upon and I only do so when necessary. Enclosure cleaning, bathing, force feeding(when they're sick and unable to feed themselves), and occasionally for photos. I use tank cleaning and bathing for an opportunity for photos because they're already out and it kills two birds with one stone and thus causes less stress. These frogs become stressed very easily and you must do your best to keep stress levels as low as possible.

Just for reference this is hijacking and reviving and old thread. If you have any further questions will you please start a new thread in this area of the forum for me to address these questions.

Thank you

[danhm87]

Hello Doc

Welcome to Frog Forum.

First ill address the Mealworms. Mealworms are dangerous to feed to your Pacman in large amounts. Their exoskeleton is comprised of a chitin that is difficult to digest and can cause an impaction(severe constipation) which can lead to death. They aren't very fattening so no worries there. Get some night crawlers and offer appropriately sized pieces or if your frog is large enough whole worms.

How large is your frog SVL(Snout to Vent Length)?

Second about the Humidifier. Yes the chlorine is coming out into the mist. You'll need to go buy some distilled water immediately and change out that water. Spring water is fine too. Distilled can be used in the humidifier, but be sure to use the spring water in his water dishes. DO NOT DISTILLED WATER OR UNTREATED TAP WATER IN HIS WATER DISHES OR TO EXPAND HIS SUBSTRATE.

Third each individual frog is different. Some will grow larger than others and proper nutrition and supplements assist in giving your frog what it needs to reach full potential. I'm not one for molding them into giant monster frogs. I offer what they need to be healthy and happy. Their body and genetics do the rest.

Do you use a multivitamin supplement powder or Calcium powder with Vitamin D3?

Handling is usually frowned upon and I only do so when necessary. Enclosure cleaning, bathing, force feeding(when they're sick and unable to feed themselves), and occasionally for photos. I use tank cleaning and bathing for an opportunity for photos because they're already out and it kills two birds with one stone and thus causes less stress. These frogs become stressed very easily and you must do your best to keep stress levels as low as possible.

Just for reference this is hijacking and reviving and old thread. If you have any further questions will you please start a new thread in this area of the forum for me to address these questions.

Thank you

Your so Boss man... yea i got a multivitamin dust and my frog is around 2 1/2 inches STV... tiny little guy .. probably a male... THANK you SOO much for your speedy reply i went out right away and got some distilled water...

Dr. Okami

[GrifTheGreat]

Your so Boss man... yea i got a multivitamin dust and my frog is around 2 1/2 inches STV... tiny little guy .. probably a male... THANK you SOO much for your speedy reply i went out right away and got some distilled water...

Dr. Okami

You're welcome. The distilled water will also help maintain the life of your humidifier by not leaving and mineral deposits behind. This keeps the condenser clean and running normally.

EDIT; You're also going to need that calcium powder I mentioned. These frogs need insane amounts of calcium so its a good idea to have a regular calcium powder and a calcium powder that contains Vitamin D3 on hand.

[spazzum]

Our frogs aren't pets... they're circus frogs =.= and yes i dechlorinate the water and yes the room is tottaly chemical free the floor is all dirt and there are hiding places with fake and real trees and plants.