Quote Originally Posted by Wormwood View Post
You really aren't listening to my advice are you? 200 tadpoles in a 29 gallon tank is pushing it, you'll need 10 tanks to support 2,000 tadpoles, with many pumps and filters (not just one, from what you made it sound like) 10 full grown toads in a 75 gallon tank is pushing it. And don't think the larger the tank is better for the taddies, they need shallow water since they need to come up for air. Mature toads are not tree frogs, which can make use of the entire tank, height and width and I think alot of hobbiest forget this with ground dwelling species, in the end stressing them out and overpacking them into a tank.

If you want to experience tadpoles keep 50 of them. From all your posts you seem really, really, unprepared for how much work and time you'll have to put into keeping these guys alive - which is why I'm getting more and more opposed to your choice of keeping them (and 10 toads) after they fully grow.

Has that moderator kept American toads all his life, in various settings? You can trust me that they are very active, especially nocturanally, they do not sit in one place like alot of herp species. They move around to feed like any other amphibian that doesn't rely on water.
Jeez. Dude Iam not the best at counting(moving objects) so Ill probably end up keeping less in the end.. Calm down. I'm unprepared because they were trying to mate on their own and it seemed really mean to just make them stop alltogether. Plus if anything Ill wait till they hatch first and then start seperating them. When they do ill give the rest to my friend with a pond.

You must not know me to think Iam not prepared. I am always -over- prepared. I have many tanks. Ill take a picture to show you just how many tanks I have

. Iam not even kidding. I have three 55gallons(one is in use), the 29gallon, the 30gallon(for the adult toads--currently I'm planning on doing something better for them. I just need to find out a few ideas). I also have a 29gallon rubbermaid, a 30(breeder style) gallon rubbermaid and I could just get more rubbermaid if I really wanna keep all of the tadpoles. But in reality I wouldn't keep all of them.

I stated that in the previous post.

Also there are many ways for caring for an animal. Nothing is set in stone. Just because your toads are active doesn't mean every toad has to be active. I don't say you're not experienced. But alot of people have different opinions on how to care for an animal. If I followed your opinion Iam pretty sure someone else will call me stupid and say Iam either over doing it or doing too little or something like that.

From my experience I noticed american toads in nature are not that active to begin with. They DO move around quite a bit. But they're not ALWAYS on the move.

Not everyone has alot of money just to get a huge tank which could easily cost over 1k. People have to pay bills, people have to buy food for themselves and their animals. But no Iam not stating give it the lesser care.

Just stating there's more than one way to care for an animal. A toad is not a turtle. They're pretty bulky and built for digging for the most part. Like I said--- not to say they wont move around. But its not like a turtle which needs alot more space due to the HIGH activity level. Its not a fire belly toad either.

You can't really tell whether an animal is happy or not. If the basic needs are met they will be happy. As well as if you give them comfort zones and the space thats fine. But you can't say that 10toads would need something like a 200gallon tank. That's irrational imo.

I do love my pets and I do give them as much luxuries I can give. But seriously. Thats over doing it. A 75gallon tank is around what? 48" x 18" x 21"? Even in a 30gallon a few toads that seems extremely spacious. Plus for a 75g tank the height could be put to use. you can easily build a second level persay. They do that for hermit crabs. If you put steps they would be able to climb it easily.

But even that is still irrational.
I'm not trying to pick on you, or pick on what you say. It's not even that Iam uninformed--- its more of Iam trying to make sure the information I got out of constant reading is fine. If the eggs hatch in a few days that gives me plenty of time to improvise and get what I need.

Plus 200tadpoles are the size of almost a grain of rice. Smaller than a guppy. I never stated I will keep 2,000 tadpoles. That's just stupid of me. That would be over doing it beyond reason.
But there are several things to consider: In nature tadpole eggs(atleast american toads so far as I know) in my neck of the woods tend to lay their eggs in temporarily pools of water. Ussually no deeper than half a foot(sometimes 2feet---but rarely as what I have seen), while the length of it can be perhaps 3-4feet long. Like I said I ussually see them in small creeks of a sort that have a slight waterflow but not too strong. As well as the confined area is not that big. And in said conditions you could find like over 15,000 tadpoles. Plus their water tends to be murky.

Owning an animal doesn't make a person an expert. Hey I'ved own turtles 7-8 years now. Iam no expert though. There's a commonly known law of science---- it is always evolving. Stuff gets outdated eventually.

But in reality I have a few fall back plans in case I notice something going really wrong:
1)My friend has a large pond over 300gallons. He leaves it empty for frogs to lay eggs. Because he too enjoys frogs and toads.
2)I could just go to the creek and release alot of them(which Iam doing anyways to reduce their numbers significantly and increase the wild population which is my ultimate goal)
3)I could seperate them into the tanks that are empty and lying about. I mean its only 2months at most for t hem to develop completely. In that case a higher ratio of toadlets would make it. Versus in the wild were apparently wild birds like to scoop them up and gobble them. Or die from extreme overcrowding(over 15k), or lack of food, etc. As well as the water is extremely dirty to begin with. Sometimes Ived seen them in semi-polluted waters.

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P.s. Iam not trying to sound rude. But I do attend other forums for amphibians to check opinions and answers. I just don't want to be piled on top on by either one if Iam wrong or something. I mean I AM only human. ATLEAST Iam trying hard to get educated as much as possible.

I do research online and I ask questions to review what I learnt and if Iam wrong I ask why I am wrong to learn from my mistake. But like I said. Everyone has different opinions on pet care. Someone could say goldfish need 1 pond per goldfish, while another could say that a 20gallon is the bareminimum for a standard goldfish while a 75tank would be optimal for atleast having 2-3.

While another could say that a 55gallon could hold 6goldfish, and a 75g would be able to hold an extra 1-2more.

Get what Iam getting at? Hopefully you aren't offended at all. I just don't like being attacked.