New Arrivals!

[Leefrogs]

ya I checked alblums right away, tisk tisk... Cheri, no photos!!

I've seen a couple pictures in WTF books. And I love the blue/ish of your tigers and now this tops it off. Mine will just have blue sides and feet. I was wanting somethibg rare kibda too. I think the annae was on johns wish list you did a while back.

I'm going to have to look into some albinos way after I get a big 100 gal done for the whites I have now. Blues are so in, you should see how rare true blue is in flowers also. I've got quite a collection of blue outside also. Check this, a cold tolerant blue hybiscus!!! I'll take pictures of my annae on that this summer. Blue, blue, everwhere !!!

[bshmerlie]

Yes I totally agree it was definately great fun. Besides my eight year old daughter I've never hung out with someone and just did frog stuff. It may sound silly but just going to Home Depot and walking around looking at plants and discussing our options that was fun. I usually do that by myself. And we went to LLL Reptile and looked at frogs and other supplies. Walking around like kids in a candy store checking out all their frogs and talking about what our next frogs will be. And then going home washing our plants and setting up the tank. Like I said I am usually doing those things by myself so being able to share that with someone equally frog crazy was an adventure.

As far as Phillipp goes he has a nice photo on Kingsnake of his frogs and he delivered. His frogs were as described and they look stunning. We were both really worried that we'd drive all that way and then be disappointed by the frogs. But as soon as we saw them we looked at each other with a smile and said "we'll take them." By the way we didn't pay full price by any means. No.... we didn't pay $2 a piece for them...but like I always tell people buy captive bred from the breeder and you're less likely to have health problems with your frogs. In the long run I think we got a good deal because Phillippe delivered what we were expecting. Now Kisa just needs to take the Uncle Chester photography class and get some good photos of Bruce and Paul.

[Grrrit]

Them are some purrrdy frogs haha. But really they're super neat. hopefully soon I too will have some more polly wogs.

[ISW Avalon]

These guys are absolutely beautiful!

[Kisa]

I have to agree with Cheri on the whole "hanging out with another frogger" thing. It really was a blast, and I hope we can do it again sometime soon. I usually take my friends with me when I go frog accessory shopping, so I've never done it "alone" per se, but the people that come along aren't froggers! They don't KNOW! They just don't know...So it was really fun to walk around in LLL with a person who shares a passion for our rubbery friends, and trade information back and forth about different frogs. She showed me a book filled with pictures and information about darts and asked a TON of questions I had about Red Eyes and the other frogs in her collection, and I was able to answer a few of her questions about White's. It really was a great experience, fun, informative, and I got to bring home more than just some froggie friends. ^ ^ It really is a bonding experience, to explore with a person who shares an interest in frogs. Another thing is it's really nice to say words like "dendrobate" and "zoo med" and "pothos" and "hygrotherm" and not have the person you're talking to look at your like you're insane. XD;

And with Phillippe it was exactly like that! I remember sitting at a table outside Barnes and Noble being nervous and waiting to see if he showed up. When we finally found the guy I was relieved to see he had actually brought the frogs, and that they were everything as advertised. XD

As for the pictures, I really hope I can take more soon and appease the angry frog gods. ><

@Ginger: Blue blue blue for you! XD Haha, I can't wait to see pictures, really, I bet your frog is going to be amazing!

@Grrit and ISW Avalon: Thank you guys so much! I'm really excited to be adding these guys to my "frog family". ^ ^

[Leefrogs]

I'll def have to get one!! It must be great to live next to a huge place like that. Or atleast within a days(5 hrs) drive. Even Minneapolis doesn't have any real reptile shops. I'll have to check chicago. You guys at LLL Reptile, and even Don can go to black jungle!! All you are so lucky to get your ideas from such a great store!! My next trip I'm going to have to see some great huge reptile(frog) store. I'm lucky if I even see red eyes up here
Lucky lucky.. XD

[frogkam]

So Pretty! the eyes are very catch my eyes! :P

[Kisa]

Ginger, if you look hard enough I'm sure you'll find one! Maybe some day you can get up the cash to fly out here and see one of our shops, then maybe me, you, AND Cheri could all hang out!

And Frogkam, nice one. XD I hope they're catching lots of people eyes! I still don't feel like they've had a proper frog forum welcome, so here goes with picture time!

I got these ones when I was replacing the paper towels on the bottom of their tank, they were pretty soggy. So I caught these guys on candid camera sleeping on the same leaf, just precious. ^ ^


You can really see the blue in Bruce's eyes from this angle. And how shy Paul is...>>


Just another angle, Paul was too nervous to smile.

Enjoy!

[Kisa]

You know...after I posted these pictures and got a real good look at them...a question entered my mind.

Is there a way that Bruce Willis there could be considered an albino...? He's not brown or green, and he's definitely not a blue phase. He's more of an orangey yellow...

Now I don't even know if Albino White's exist, but it would be really cool to know, either way.

Maybe the experts could come in and take a look? That would be very helpful...

[Immortal]

Very cool, blue eyes for the win!

[Tony]

Now I don't even know if Albino White's exist, but it would be really cool to know, either way.

Albinism in White's seems to be a lethal trait, all of the albino tadpoles that I am aware of have died shortly before or during metamorphosis.

[Immortal]

I've seen some photos on google of albino red eyed tree frogs. Some look pale green, some look yellow, some look that albino colour but it's hard to say if it is true albino or just something else?

[Kisa]

Albinism in White's seems to be a lethal trait, all of the albino tadpoles that I am aware of have died shortly before or during metamorphosis.

I came across that information while I was doing research on White's before I got these frogs to see if there were other different kinds of White's I might want to collect. So you think my frog is just a strange color? I believe if he was any sort of albino he would also be missing pigment in his irises, which would completely get rid of the blue coloration, which I didn't think of when I asked the question earlier.

He goes from the light peachy color you see there to a darker more orange shade, but he hasn't gotten anywhere near green, brown, or blue, so it's most likely that he's just...a different color? My adult White's is yellow, but he doesn't have this peachy/orange quality that this one shows and is sometimes closer to brown or olive green.

What's your take on his coloration? Just unique?

[Kisa]

I've seen some photos on google of albino red eyed tree frogs. Some look pale green, some look yellow, some look that albino colour but it's hard to say if it is true albino or just something else?

Lor, Ihave only ever seen albino Red Eyes or Horned Frogs (Pacmans). There is another morph in Red Eyes called "Xanthic" as well. But I have never seen or heard of another species that possesses a successful albino gene.

My next frogs will be Red Eyes, hopefully one of each kind. ^ ^

[Immortal]

I'm not sure if this would be a similar thing or not...

Albino horses are not common either. Most "white" horses are actually gray. They have to have all pink skin to be called white, most white haired horses still have gray skin. Some "white" (which they now call cremello) horses have blue eyes. It is very rare to see one that has pink eyes. I am pretty sure the pink skin, pink eyes is the true albino. Maybe it's like that for frogs too? They could look albino but with the blue eyes, making them not exactly albino?

A thought anyways.

Edit: Ok I'm a bit off on that lol. I'm not sure if horses can even get pink eyes. But there's still different variations of whites/grays/cremellos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_%28horse%29

[Tony]

What's your take on his coloration? Just unique?

That would be my guess. It may also be a trait common to the blue-eyed morph, from the few pics I have seen they seem to be lighter than a typical White's. You could ask the breeder about it, I'm sure he could give you better info since he is more familiar with them than any of us.

[Tony]

But I have never seen or heard of another species that possesses a successful albino gene.

They are out there. Off the top of my head I remember seeing bullfrogs, clawed frogs, pacific chorus frogs, green tree frogs, several darts (though they seem to be weak and short-lived), Woodhouse's toads, and firebellies.

[Kisa]

They are out there. Off the top of my head I remember seeing bullfrogs, clawed frogs, pacific chorus frogs, green tree frogs, several darts (though they seem to be weak and short-lived), Woodhouse's toads, and firebellies.

Of course Tony, those completely slipped my mind. XD Sorry.

I didn't know about the AGTFs though, that's some good information.

And Lor, thanks for the info about the horses. Not sure that frogs and horses could share any traits when we're talking about geneology, but that information is good to have anyway. I really didn't know that about the "white" horses, but I suppose their skin situation is very close to those of dogs and cats.

That would be my guess. It may also be a trait common to the blue-eyed morph, from the few pics I have seen they seem to be lighter than a typical White's.

Yeah I have noticed little Paul has sort of a muted color when compared to other green White's as well. This morning he was a grey blue. I'm seeing these frogs as more pastel colored than the other White's I have come into contact with. Very beautiful and unique looking color.

I may give the breeder a call, you're absolutely right about that he would hopefully know anything about color...thanks for the tip. XD It should have been obvious, duh.

[Immortal]

I wasn't sure if they'd share the same traits or not but that's about all I know on abnormal white colouration lol.

[artes]

Lovely little frogs! *_*