New Arrivals!

[poison beauties]

Just keep in mind they may not be as rare as you were led to believe is all. They do look nice but if he is selling them in actual numbers its because they've already been bred for this trait therefor there could be hundreds or more.
If you want next time Im at the importers down in FL i will dig through what they have and see if I cant find you a few more. They go for about $2-$3 each down there.

Michael

[bshmerlie]

Mike i'll send you the eight bucks...you can send me four more.

[poison beauties]

Absolutely, Im goiing down to pick up a few critter in may/june area and will dig through whats down there and will grab up anything odd. I can get you some blue ones too.

You have to understand, I wasnt trying to be a smart *** on this. This is how they all do it. They all dig through the import crates and collections looking for new colors, patterns, species and all. This is how almost every one of the traits/morphs get started in the hobby. All the way back to the 70's and 80's when the first Albino burms and boas came in and started this hobby on its track.

My main point to the comment was on the rare part. when someone breeds a tree frog and what can be hundreds of froglets morph this is no longer rare. As by time these breed the next clutch from to original pair has morphed yet again. This is why the up coming glass frogs will be different. It will be a dedication to time as the tads take forever to morph. Many mistakes will happen while some will do well and in a few years they will also no longer be considered rare.

Michael

[bshmerlie]

Mike I do understand your position on color morphs, fads, trends, and the economics of the whole thing. Something "rare" one day will be common place the next. That is just how our economy works here in the USA. You also must know by now my position on imports. I personally would rather pay $75 for a captive bred frog that I want than pay a disgraceful $2-3 dollars for that same frog caught from the wild and imported here. It is always our choice when we plop down money for a frog. No one forces us to buy a blue eyed frog....I simply want one....its my money...its my choice. Besides how would I name my frogs if they all looked the same? I completely agree with you 100% on this subject when it comes to dart frogs...but we are going to have to agree to disagree when it comes to blue eyed frogs costing more than regular color ones. Money is just no that big of a factor to me when it comes to getting a frog I want. I am also not really into collecting rare frogs or frogs that are considered collectibles. If I did id have a Blue Jeans or something like that. I buy a frog because I think it looks cool. Tony bought some white eyed red eyes....im sure...because he thinks they look cool.

[poison beauties]

Can't argue there it is up to every single person. But once again Blue Jean pumilio are not rare. They are always for sale and a friend of mine produces some of the nicest in the hobby so if you ever want any let me know and I will help you get a decent deal on them.

As for paying for the imports its not so much a disgrace as a thing we could prevent if everyone better manged whats here with breeding programs and tracked the lines. And another issue, Im not the anti morph person that you seem to take me for infact Ive already reserved half of Tony's white eyed clutch for a project. I was also one of the first to scoop up the albino red eyes 7 years ago when they hit KS at $500 each. I know where the few blue axanthic red eyes are as well as the few melanistics from the imports years back and Im trying to work a deal to secure them. I do have tree frogs, breeding milks, even annae and soon lemurs, Ive bred albino bullfrogs, albino and snow boas, albino pythons and albino rattlesnakes. I just see it a huge ID issue with darts as the slightest variation could mean as much as hybrid or another species/ locale if it has a spot or line on it that differs from another population.

But seriously the imports are the key for new blood as well as most of the morphs and traits that come in so if you ever get the chance to dig through what comes in from across the ocean you may want to give it a chance. With out them nothing would be here. Everyones breeding stock is here because the original lines come from the wild so even if you only buy cb your contributing to the need for wc. I will see what I can find when I head down to FL to pick up a new red eye morph in a couple months.

Hope this helped clear some of the issue.

Michael

[Kisa]

Wow guys...

Thanks for the congrats I guess, for those of you who have them. Just wanted to share my new arrivals, I wasn't really planning on this thread turning into some kind of pseudo argument about color morphs and how much they are and why, was just kind of excited that Cheri and I added some new White's to our numbers. This is Cheri's first White's after all, I never thought I'd be educating a moderator about a frog, in the little ways I did anyway. XD; And this was more about the story than anything; Cheri and I got to meet and hang out and do frog stuff together, that was the best part about this trip, was that I got to spend time with someone I respect from the forum and get to know her. This wasn't even really about the frogs in the end...

When I posted this thread I wasn't trying to brag about the fact that I bought a "rare morph that no one has ever seen before". I said this is something /I/ had never seen before, and it's exciting for me to add new frogs to my growing family. I'm sorry if some of you were mislead by the word "rare", again I really wasn't trying to brag.

But anyway, thanks again Cheri for the long drive and the time and money you spent, I promise to take care of little Paul and get you a return on the big bucks you laid out by giving you his health and company. ^ ^