Frogs and Pet Stores

[JSG]

Dudes and Dudettes,
One word: LAW.
As far as i know there are laws governing the basic requirements for the housing of animals, these laws also apply to pet stores like everyone else. So, if you feel that voting with your wallet is not going to bring change around quickly enough - go to the law.
Here in South Africa we have a few very good animal anti cruelty associations. PAWS and the SPCA are just 2 that leaps to mind. And if they don't get involved quickly enough we have TV shows where people can phone in and lodge a complaint against certain stores / businesses. These TV shows then visit the business in question and thus everything is splashed out in the public eye.
Then I also know of people who have splashed cellphone footage on YOU TUBE which have destroyed a business.
So yeah, I do believe there are good pet stores, breeders, hobbyist etc, and I also believe in supporting them, as for the rest...I believe in shaming them as they deserve nothing less (or more LOL) after they have declined getting help to get on to the right track.

Thanks for this thread Eric!

[Immortal]

I think it'd be better for pet stores to carry pet supplies and not animals. That people should get animals from breeders/rescuers.

Problem is the law dosn't always give a rat's ****. I know a place where they have horses and lock a stallion in his stall 24/7 standing in the worst conditions of his fecies that mushrooms are growing in the stall. This amongst many other things at the same place, very gross, very wrong to have any animal living there. So many people know this place and nobody does anything about it. Sometimes I wonder if I should call the OSPCA but I don't even remember the address to the place, then I'd feel like if anything happened it'd be my fault lol.

Yeah once the public sees that kinda thing, everything can change. I have mixed feelings on the pet stores I go to. They can be helpful, nice people in general, but they still don't know enough about a lot of their animals and I feel bad for most of the animals who have to be there. I don't think I could ever "do" anything about it. I wish if I said "Would you mind me giving you some pointers on how to house/care some animals?" And if they said "Oh yes sure that'd be great!" Chances are they think I know nothing about animals, and technically how can I prove I do? I don't have a degree in anything. And they'd probably want me to leave and not come back lol. I just wish people would be more open to learning.

[clownonfire]

Here's an update on the frogs that started this thread. I passed by the pet shop again to see if the dart frogs were still there. Out of 2 D. tinctorius Cobalt and 2 D. tinctorius Azureus, only one cobalt was left. So I wrote a friend of mine who I ended up befriending since I started this thread and she let me know that the three other frogs died.

Although juvies, these frogs were fed 3/8 crickets, if not bigger, and were living in a mini Exo-Terra, barely misted, with a large fake Exo-Terra in the middle of the terra. I will take a picture next time I go.

Anyway, the store is L'Animalerie Paul, 930 Mont-Royal East in Montreal. If you're ever in Montreal, do not shop there. I tries talking to the owner but she didn't care about what I had to say.

Eric

[TheBambooGoanna]

Aw, that's so sad. At least the ones that died are no longer suffering...

Although juvies, these frogs were fed 3/8 crickets

I actually saw something similar last weekend in a local Pet World. It was the first time I've been into a pet store all year, and the first thing I see is a tank of hatchling size Bearded Dragons trying so hard to figure out how to eat the 1" crickets they were being fed. I've seen a lot of sad things but I was almost in tears. I can just imagine those poor frogs going through the same thing.

Anyway, the store is L'Animalerie Paul, 930 Mont-Royal East in Montreal. If you're ever in Montreal, do not shop there. I tries talking to the owner but she didn't care about what I had to say.

Sort of OT but does anybody know if these people were at the April 09 expo in Ottawa?

[clownonfire]

I don't think the pet shop owners will be there. They won't be at the show on May 1st in Pointe-Claire either. The breeder will be. I already had a talk with him, and I don't think he will be selling to them anymore.

[TheBambooGoanna]

I only asked because I remember there being a sketchy place from Montreal there and I think they were actually barred from coming back to any expos (the had crammed tons animals into salad containers -like, they had over 15 juvenile Nile Monitors in one container) But this was over 2 years ago, so I don't remember the exact name of the place.

[clownonfire]

I only asked because I remember there being a sketchy place from Montreal there and I think they were actually barred from coming back to any expos (the had crammed tons animals into salad containers -like, they had over 15 juvenile Nile Monitors in one container) But this was over 2 years ago, so I don't remember the exact name of the place.

There's another place in Montreal that have too many little containers of WC frogs and other herps. I wont name it, but it might be this one...