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[nikki]

hello my name is nikki i just joined frog forum bout 4 minutes ago im not sure if this is the right place to ask this question but im going to ask anyways if not plz send me a message on how to use this ...okay i bought a reds eye tree frog about 3 weeks ago from bigappleherp.com he is a sub adult (not sure what sub means) this is my first frog ever i have done alot of reserch on this particular frog i find them amazing i have his terrarium set up his crikets his lighting everything was set before he came ok now the problem is about 4 or 5 days after having him he started to get this lil brownish colorish looking scab on the tip of his nose and till today he still has but its been getting bigger since then and ive noticed when he is sleeping against the glass there is a little bit of blood under his but im thinking hes probably constipated but i dont know i know hes eating because i count the crikets i put in and there no there the next morning and i kno hes active because ive seen him moving around at night ive seen him poop aslo but most of the time im asleep if anyone has any idea what it can be please help im really worried i will put pics up as soon as i can thanks

[Kisa]

Hi Nikki, sorry you had to join the forum under such circumstances but it's nice to meet you.

It sounds to me by the scab that your frog has a "noserub". This is what happens when your frog attempts to escape the tank and presses and rubs his nose against the glass or screen top to try and get out. You should post pictures though, because this is not a definitive answer and you could have a different problem on your hands. If it IS a noserub, and it might not be, you can treat with neosporin if you must. If you do get the kind WITHOUT PAIN RELIEF as this will kill your frog. Do not attempt to use any other chemicals either, neosporin is the only human type over the counter antibacterial ointment I have ever and will ever use. Just apply a little to the affected area with a QTip every night after the frog wakes up. Also, this treatment is not intended for long term use and is supposed to prevent an infection, nothing else. It may heal faster with use of neosporin, but as soon as you see the wound beginning to close, stop using it, I don't know the long term effects. When my White's Tree Frog had an open wound on his leg I used neosporin for three days total and they healed up without incident. Try not to get the ointment on your frog's nostrils when you apply it too, as I don't know what could happen if they breathe it in.

How big is the enclosure you have him in? Also post your exact temps and humidity, what substrate you're using, and preferably a picture of the set up just in case there's a problem with that. And do you know if the frog is wild caught or captive bred? This could be a determining factor in what is wrong.

I hope this helps, if you use the neosporin make sure to follow the guidelines I've put up and remember: NO PAIN RELIEF, this will KILL YOUR FROG.

[nikki]

hey thank you soooo much for the advice ...i also thought about what you said with the whole trying to escape thing and he does that quite often i seen him walking around the top pushing with his legs its quite funny but maybe it is that but i will try the neosporin thing tho im going to clean his tank tomorrow ...well the tank is actually an exo terra tank the dimensions are (hold let me check lol ).....ok the box says 12"x12"x18" the humidity i try my best to keep between 90 and 100 but its usually between 80 and 90 % the temp in the day time is between 75 and 85 but at night it kinda drops between 65 and aroung 72 because i live in a basement and it gets cold but i also have a heating lamp ...the frog is captive bred from what the lady at bigappleherp told me im also using coconut fiber it brought it in the tank because i bought the whole set it was about 110$ it brought the substrate the fake plants the water dish the gauges and etc. im going to take some pics now and post them where do i post them tho ????

[Kisa]

hey thank you soooo much for the advice ...i also thought about what you said with the whole trying to escape thing and he does that quite often i seen him walking around the top pushing with his legs its quite funny but maybe it is that but i will try the neosporin thing tho im going to clean his tank tomorrow ...well the tank is actually an exo terra tank the dimensions are (hold let me check lol ).....ok the box says 12"x12"x18" the humidity i try my best to keep between 90 and 100 but its usually between 80 and 90 % the temp in the day time is between 75 and 85 but at night it kinda drops between 65 and aroung 72 because i live in a basement and it gets cold but i also have a heating lamp ...the frog is captive bred from what the lady at bigappleherp told me im also using coconut fiber it brought it in the tank because i bought the whole set it was about 110$ it brought the substrate the fake plants the water dish the gauges and etc. im going to take some pics now and post them where do i post them tho ????

First of all your humidity is WAY too high, lower it as fast as you can. Ideal Red Eye humidity is between 60-70%, at 80-100% you're creating an area that germs will definitely breed in, this can lead to increased risk of infection and the opportunity for bacteria to attach itself to the environment. Lower your humidity as fast as you can, this is probably causing your frog undue discomfort and could be the reason why it is trying to escape it's enclosure. Your temperature is just a bit high, try to keep it between 78-82 degrees F in the day time and allow a drop to about 71 or a bit lower at night, this is most comfortable for Red Eyes.

Of you make an album in your profile you can post the pictures there, copy the"bbcode" for the image that shows up underneath the picture when you upload it, and paste it into your next post in this thread. This might be a little hard to understand, but if you can get them into your album on your profile, people will be able to look at them.

The substrate is fine as long as it is not too damp. Did you provide places for your frog to hide while it sleeps? This could be another factor adding to it's stress.

[nikki]

oh wow ok i will the people at the pet store said that the more humidity the better but i will let it go down a notch i just posted the pictures in an album im hoping you can see them but if u look closely u can tell from some pics it looks small and them it gets big the pictures where he is sleeping i just took now its weird because by this time he is usually waking up....

[bshmerlie]

Welcome to the forum Nikki. Sounds like Kisa is giving you some good advice. When you get a chance post some pictures and maybe we can give you a few pointers. Red Eyes are my favorite tree frogs.

[bshmerlie]

Just looked at your pics in your album. You definately should add some more plants for cover. Especially large leafed plants...pothos is good but there are many others. Take a look at the indoor plant section of you local Walmart, Home Depot, or Lowes. Rinse the plants completely before putting them into your viv including discarding all the original soil the plant came with and rinse the roots. Check out the care article on the left about building a dart frog terrarium. In that article it talks about how to properly set up a drainage layer for the plants to stay healthy. Live plants are a good way to maintain the proper humidity and they also provide for a more natural environment for the frog. Give your frog as many branches and large leaves as you can. This will help him to acclimate better and eventually he'll stop trying to escape.

[nikki]

Can I use big leaf plants but fake ones I'm currently working and going to school and also moving soon I graduate in a month so I thought id get a better and bigger tank for him when I settle...but ima try my best in the mean time...

[Leefrogs]

as far as the blood by his but, could be impacted. Beware the food size u are giving him. Small crickets are much easier to digest, the shell isn't as hard. Seems like u have his waking schedule down, so an hour or two before wake up time put hot water in his bowl, this will cool before he gets up. It should cool to your viv temp and help him pass any poop. Watch for like hemroids, bulging alchola(*sp) this is a medical emergency.

[nikki]

Ok well its the next afternoon sorry guys I'm not a morning person lol...anyways he woke up a little late last night and I saw him walk down to the bottom and he stayed down there for a few hours even fell asleep too when I just woke up I found him on top of the tank and there was poop down at the bottom too ...is there any way I can put a picture of the poop so u guys can tell me if its ok without grossing anyone out ??? The crickets I bought are really small I even had to tape the side of my tank doors with tape because they are small enough to fit thru the sides...

[Kisa]

Nikki I just finished looking at your pictures and I have to to say that scab does look bad. I would treat it with just a little neosporin for a couple days and see if that helps it heal and get rid of bacteria. Hopefully by now you've lowered humidity. Unfortunately you cannot always trust the people in the pet stores, they may look intelligent and speak nice but 9 times out of 10 they have no idea what they're talking about. The people in my local pet store keep large turtles in cages that are small to the point where the turtle can't even turn around, this is just one example of the cruelty they're capable of.

If you've lowered humidity I'd say your next step is grabbing some plants like Cheri has suggested. These will make him feel safer and more secure, since he is wild caught, this will probably calm him down significantly. Another thing you can do is tape pieces of paper to the outside sides of the tank to keep him from seeing out for the first few weeks. This will reduce stress substantially. I have done this will all my frogs but the very first one, Ginger here gave me the idea after I had already had my first frog for a while. So far it has worked to great success, it makes the frogs feel safer and keeps you from spying on them all the time, which trust me is fun, but it can lead more stress can lead to serious health problems. Fake plants are fine, just make sure they're big enough that he can stand on them without tipping them over, Exo Terra makes good ones. I use a fake Exo Terra fern in my ten gallon for my baby WTF and he seems to enjoy it. Also maybe some more hanging plants will help him to feel safer as well. Just provide more places for him to hide and he should stop trying to escape.

I'm sure if you posted a picture of the poop no one would get grossed out, but unless the signs of parasites or other illnesses are obvious, I don't think we'll be able to tell much from a picture.

[nikki]

Hey well I went the petsmart and bought a bag of pothos (fake) and wrapped it around the lil climbing trunk I gotta say there is a lot more space for him to hide now I'm not sure If I'll ever see him lol...it looks full now Like an actual rain forest ..I bought the neosporin without pain relief and put some on his nose ...when I tried to pick him up to put him elsewhere while I clean the tank he started jumping everywhere and once I grabbed him he peed on my ( what does that mean when they pee on you) I washed my hands afterwards of course but just curious...thanks for all the help you guys I really appreciate it..I will post pics soon I'm mobile right now cuz my internet is down but I will soon and you guys can tell me what you think....once again thanx

[Kisa]

The urinating is a fear response. My White's used to do it all the time when I would pick him up to move stuff around in his tank or bring him to the vet. Once they get used to you they should stop doing that when you have to pick them up. Do you have a critter keeper for him? I would buy one of those and put him in it when you're cleaning his tank or treating his nose. You can cover the sides with paper towels while he's in there so you don't scare him. My White's would let me cover him with a piece of the paper towel and go to sleep there during car rides, it makes them feel safer.

If the noserub doesn't go away within a week or less I would stop treating him with the neosporin and look up a vet in your area. Also take a good look at his eyes when you bring him out, if you see any cloudiness this could be a sign of infection. You're doing good so far, it's good if you don't see him for the first few weeks while he gets used to you. Hopefully he'll stop trying to escape and give you an indication that he feels safe with you.

[nikki]

Yeah I have a small tank for him to put him in while I clean...his eyes are fine big bright red eyes ....no cloudiness....I just found out that my red eye is farm raised what does that mean ...they told me it was cb....I can't believe they lied....what does farm raised mean

[Kisa]

Yeah I have a small tank for him to put him in while I clean...his eyes are fine big bright red eyes ....no cloudiness....I just found out that my red eye is farm raised what does that mean ...they told me it was cb....I can't believe they lied....what does farm raised mean

Unfortunately I am pretty new to the hobby as well and am not sure about ALL the terminology yet, so I don't know what Farm Raised could mean. I'm sorry to hear that you have to deal with this sort of service. It's never fun to be jerked around.

That's good that there is no cloudiness. Just try to leave him alone until it's time to apply the medicine, give him a quick once over and put him back in the tank as quickly as possible. try to do this at night after he wakes up on his own, you shouldn't be waking him up forcefully, especially during the day.

[nikki]

hey well i came home from work and he is still in the same spot he was when i found him this morning sleeping i just turned off the light and covered the whole tank but not the doors...i just put his medicine on his nose ...i hope he gets better...im really worried..i have a question why do they stick only there butt in the water when in the bowl its like there just chillin outside the dish but only the lower part of his body is in the water?...

[Kisa]

The butt in the water bowl could potentially mean something, but I wouldn't worry about that just yet. I have seen my frogs do this, I think they're sitting in the water while still keeping their eyes open for potential dangers. The walls of their water dishes could impede their vision, this just may be a way of getting around that. Other then that brief blurb, I really have nothing.

You're doing well, try not to stress about it too much. Keep up what you're doing for a little while longer and keep applying the medicine and giving him check ups.

Did you manage to get the humidity down?

[nikki]

Yes I have after I cleaned the tank the other day I put new substrate on it and since that was real moist and it holds alot of moisture i decided to not spray so right now it's at about at 73% and the temp is at about between 72 to 74 degrees right now....i know he's active at night so usually when i get home bout maybe 11 the latest i turn off the uvb bulb and leave the heating lamp thats actually to see him at night also on and i laid to watch a movie and about an hour later he was sitting in his water just his butt in and chillen...so i laid back down and then about 4am he fell asleep in that same position but there was poop in the water so i went to sleep when i woke up he was sleeping on a pothos .....