Thinkin' about darts again

[Kisa]

Eric thanks I must have read it wrong, I don't know where I got the idea that they were more arboreal, I must be confusing them with another species. I would love to give them all the room they desire but unfortunately I just don't really have the space...do you think a 15 gallon would be ok for a pair or should I just go for a 20? Keep in mind this won't be for another few months, I'm looking for a job right now and I want to have a steady income before I think (haha obviously I've already thought about it XD) about getting more frogs. Those durinal (sp?) Darts are so tempting! ><

And I think for the sexing it really depends on who you're dealing with, as in which breeder you plan on buying them from. I'd be willing to pay a little more for a sexed pair, I like having one of each gender, if I hadn't had a pair of themed names for my White's I would've wanted a male and female too. XD But Ginger's right I have seen sights asking for a bit more for a sexed pair.

[bshmerlie]

Kisa I was at LLL reptile a couple of weeks ago and they had some baby Luecs that would do great starting out in your horizontal 10 gallon. They prefer horizontal which you already have, they are social frogs so you wouldn't have to worry if you got two boys or two girls, and they are very bold and would be out and visible often. Being just babies you could keep a pair of them in there for awhile. Then down the road when you catch the dart frog bug you can turn the tank vertical and go with a couple of imitator thumbnails. You can build your experience with the leucs and then move into thumbnails. See...you've just got to have a plan. Strange...my plan is to always find a way to get more frogs. you can get all glass hinged lids for your 10 gal at Petco for about 13 bucks. Being all glass that will help keep your humidity where you want it. Just some thoughts. And buying the frogs local you wouldn't have to worry about shipping cost.

[Teh Frog Whisperer]

How and where can I get live moss for my dart frog tank?

[bshmerlie]

Joshs frogs is a great place to get moss and he give you plenty of it.

[clownonfire]

Kisa, your info is right. depending on the morph, you will read them as to be arboreal and/or terrestrial. What they are is bold and they will explore your tank. I read somewhere too that you should not go any lower than a 30 gallon. But as you know with frog info, it can differ.

Cheri's plan is a good one. I will be receiving 5 P. terribilis within the next weeks, froglets. And they will be in my 29 gallon, which as adults would be too small. I'll move some into another tank when the time comes.

And here's what I can add. When I first started with frogs, I bought brand new tanks, which with the cover costs a fortune. After my first two vivs, I started looking on kijiji, which is like Craigslist in Canada, and of course the latter. And since then, I have been buying my tanks on these sites. Just last week I got an amazing 50 gallon cube and a 29 gallon for $20... as a bundle!! Yes, there is work to be done on them, but isn't it part of the fun? We build vivs from scratch... so to clean it, repair it is such a pleasant process... As for finding the perfect deal... When you are at your 8th viv, you know you'll wait for the right ad to pop along...

As for a sexed pair, I had experience similar to what Kisa has described. I asked for one, and got exactly that. Some breeder will be able to give you a male or female if you ask.

And as for moss, a few members here got some from Josh Frog by mail...

Eric

[Kisa]

Kisa, your info is right. depending on the morph, you will read them as to be arboreal and/or terrestrial. What they are is bold and they will explore your tank. I read somewhere too that you should not go any lower than a 30 gallon. But as you know with frog info, it can differ.

Cheri's plan is a good one. I will be receiving 5 P. terribilis within the next weeks, froglets. And they will be in my 29 gallon, which as adults would be too small. I'll move some into another tank when the time comes.

And here's what I can add. When I first started with frogs, I bought brand new tanks, which with the cover costs a fortune. After my first two vivs, I started looking on kijiji, which is like Craigslist in Canada, and of course the latter. And since then, I have been buying my tanks on these sites. Just last week I got an amazing 50 gallon cube and a 29 gallon for $20... as a bundle!! Yes, there is work to be done on them, but isn't it part of the fun? We build vivs from scratch... so to clean it, repair it is such a pleasant process... As for finding the perfect deal... When you are at your 8th viv, you know you'll wait for the right ad to pop along...

Oooh I see, thanks for the info Eric. I know about your P. Terribilis, I can't wait to see pictures! >< 5 new froglets all at once, it's gonna be insane. XD You've really caught the dart frog bug, eh? XD;

I did read that Aratus are one of the bigger and bolder Darts, but I think I have my heart set on them. As long as I can provide the proper space and situation for them, those are the Darts I want to get. I really love Understory Enterprise's "micro spot" morph, it's absolutely stunning! >< But of course this plan probably won't come into action before summer, by then hopefully I'll have a job and the money to spend on a new 30 gallon for a pair of them. Craig's List is a good idea...I might start looking around if I can find a good deal. I have a few months anyway. XD; I can also ask the breeder about tank size, I tend to want to go with whatever was closest to their frog/gallon ratio in their tanks. I know they house a lot more than just a pair at a time, but I thought an 11 gallon would be too small for my Tiger Legs and Mike Novy said that should be alright. If they start showing signs that in fact it is too small, then I will definitely change them out and use the 11 gallon for something else.

Cheri's plan is great, but like I said unfortunately it doesn't fit my situation right now. I'd love to get a pair of baby Darts from LLLReptiles and not have to worry about shipping and all that, but by the time I'm ready to have the Darts they'll be adults (won't they), and like I also said, I really have my heart set on the Aratus. How long does it take Darts to get from froglet to adult size anyway, does anyone know? That info would be really helpful.

And what about my 10 gallon Albino Red Eye or Clown/Hourglass Tree frog idea? I thought it was a good plan, at least I'd be using the viv for an animal that I know could fit comfortably in it, right? O:

I don't know, all this is a long way off and my plans could change from now to then, but right now this is what I feel I want to do. Now if Mr. Wayne would grow a little faster...>> I'm itching to start a viv build of my own. My dad already went out and bought me a can of great stuff from Home Depot, I'm thinking about a themed viv. Gah, I'm so impatient.

[Kisa]

Kisa I was at LLL reptile a couple of weeks ago and they had some baby Luecs that would do great starting out in your horizontal 10 gallon. They prefer horizontal which you already have, they are social frogs so you wouldn't have to worry if you got two boys or two girls, and they are very bold and would be out and visible often. Being just babies you could keep a pair of them in there for awhile. Then down the road when you catch the dart frog bug you can turn the tank vertical and go with a couple of imitator thumbnails. You can build your experience with the leucs and then move into thumbnails. See...you've just got to have a plan. Strange...my plan is to always find a way to get more frogs. you can get all glass hinged lids for your 10 gal at Petco for about 13 bucks. Being all glass that will help keep your humidity where you want it. Just some thoughts. And buying the frogs local you wouldn't have to worry about shipping cost.

This idea is totally great Cheri, thanks for sharing. Unfortunately I think if I do get a pair of Darts I'll only be able to get one, tops, final, forever, unless at some point I want to "replace" them or I move out and get a bigger place, and if I can only get one I have my heart set on D. Aratus. Not that I don't like Bumble Bees, they're great! It's just...if I spend my money on one and only one pair of Darts I really wanted to get the Aratus. Another thing is though I do want to start out with babies, it will still be a few months before Bruce Wayne is big enough to introduce to Bruce Campbell's tank, and by that time the babies will have become adults and I'll need to buy them a bigger tank anyway.

I do have another idea for my ten gallon, once I'm done with it, though. I was making a list the other night of frogs I want, just sort of an unrealistic wish list, and I found that Albino Red Eyes have gotten my attention. Those along with Clown or Hourglass tree frogs, they're absolutely stunning! If I turned my ten gallon on it's side and modified it for a swinging front door and a screen top, wouldn't it be perfect for one of any of these frogs? I'd like to keep them in pairs if possible, but if the gallons and my budget don't fit I'll have to settle for one of either species. The tough part is choosing the Albino Red Eye or the Clown/Hourglass (those I slash because they're so similar in appearance).