Captive observations can be relative and fraught with inaccuracy. There are so many variables that can be overlooked etc. If I do get them, I will do my best to get them acclimated properly, so we'll see. I have been fascinated with telmatobius etc. since I was a kid, and this species is as close as I can get. Furthermore, moves have been made to include them in CITES, I would at least like to see what they act like etc. before/if they are made unavailable! Whatever the case, if NO heat packs are included in the deal, then forget it. Thanks, JVK





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