New Baby Blue!

[spankyg]

Just a quick question: Can you overfeed babies? I know White's are known for their appetites and I heard you should feed babies as much as they'll eat so as they get all their vitamins.

I went to feed him this evening and accidently shook in a whole bunch more crickets than I wanted to, it may have been more than ten. >< These crickets are babies, very small, and he went after every single one like it was no tomorrow. I'm just worried he may have eaten too many...Do you guys think this is ok? I don't want to overfeed him and risk obesity as I know the health risks (Mr. Campbell is still too fat to climb...>>) and I'll try to avoid this in the future, but does everyone think he'll be ok for now? I'll try to give him less crickets tomorrow night...>>

Thanks for any insight you guys may have,
Brit

Well, you know me, I'm not the best expert on this, but I can tell you from a little experience... feed those little guys as much as they'll eat... and then some more.. haha..

[Kisa]

Well, you know me, I'm not the best expert on this, but I can tell you from a little experience... feed those little guys as much as they'll eat... and then some more.. haha..

Haha alright thanks, I was a little worried. This morning his belly looks so full. >< I'll try not to OVERfeed him, but I was worried something bad may come from this one feeding. I do see a little poop in there so no impaction, I was just letting my over active imagination get the better of me. XD I think I will give him a rest tonight though, I don't know how well he can hunt with a belly so full. >>

[Rocko]

The White's belly is soooo misleading, one minute I swear I have a sick frog the next it is up and about and looking tiny. I do wish my baby white's ate as much as yours though. Eats? yes but it is such a chicken the conditions have to be perfectly right and then she needs to stalk the cricket in one place.

[Dog Shrink]

Awwww congrats Kisa... I know how much you wanted to find a blue one. I LOVE the lil white spots on his butt... too cute....

[Kisa]

The White's belly is soooo misleading, one minute I swear I have a sick frog the next it is up and about and looking tiny. I do wish my baby white's ate as much as yours though. Eats? yes but it is such a chicken the conditions have to be perfectly right and then she needs to stalk the cricket in one place.

Awe yeah, I'm sorry you got a White's on the other end of the stick. But I think it's differences like that that make White's so interesting and unique. O:

[Kisa]

Awwww congrats Kisa... I know how much you wanted to find a blue one. I LOVE the lil white spots on his butt... too cute....

Thanks Kel! (It's ok if I call you that, right?) I really did want a blue one, my mind is still blown at my own luck. >< And I love his random white markings, I hadn't ever seen a White's with that before until spankyg mentioned it and showed me pictures of his Aussies. ^ ^

[Dog Shrink]

Sure you can call me Kel... wouldn't have put it up if I didn't want it used ... I love the whites with the spotting. I think it's so cool. Hopefully if/when we get one it'll have spots too

[Kisa]

Sure you can call me Kel... wouldn't have put it up if I didn't want it used ... I love the whites with the spotting. I think it's so cool. Hopefully if/when we get one it'll have spots too

Take that "if" outa there you know you want a White's! You can't resist! >>

Haha jk. XD But yeah sorry I didn't know if you had a preference about using your "real" name, don't wanna offend anyone. XD

[Dog Shrink]

Yeah the IF likely should be removed... but I did see an awesome white lipped tree frog on kingsnake today that really caught my eye and can't beat the price. Nope no prob using my real name either one works for me.

[Kisa]

Yeah the IF likely should be removed... but I did see an awesome white lipped tree frog on kingsnake today that really caught my eye and can't beat the price. Nope no prob using my real name either one works for me.

Yeah there are so many frogs out there it's hard to resign yourself to just one species. After I got Mr. Campbell I stumbled upon tiger legged monkey frogs and I about sh@ a brick. XD; It's like Phyllomedusa Tomopterna were made just for me. My two favorite animals: Sumatran Tigers and Frogs (of all kinds XD). It's like a hybrid of pure awesomeness.

And alright about the name, same goes for me. Whether Kisa or Brit comes to mind when you think of me it's no never mind. XD

[Dog Shrink]

There are way too many groovy frogs out there. How dare they be so pretty and prolific Mother nature at it's finest Guess that's why the Gods made all those nasty bugs... to feed their froggies

[Kisa]

There are way too many groovy frogs out there. How dare they be so pretty and prolific Mother nature at it's finest Guess that's why the Gods made all those nasty bugs... to feed their froggies

Hahaha I agree completely. XD There's a reason frogs are a symbol of wisdom.

[Kisa]

So I've run into a small hiccup, unfortunately.

It's nothing to panic about but I guess I just want to post it here to make sure I've covered all my bases.

So the night before last I ran out of tiny crickets and didn't have the means to get more. I decided it would probably be alright if I found some of the smaller "large" crickets in my stash for Bruce Campbell and feed them to Bruce Wayne, as long as they weren't too big I was sure he'd be alright. I would have rather fed him bigger crickets than let him go hungry for a night. So, I gave him the larger crickets (they were smaller than him, and only a little bigger than his mouth. I know White's can eat things up to twice their size so I thought it would be ok for just one night. ><) and he ate them right up. I only gave him two though, I didn't want to explode his little belly. I was happy that he ate them and foresaw no problems.

The night night (last night) I went to do lights out at 8 o'clock like always and gave Bruce Wayne some time to wake up cuz I know he's not used to the schedule yet. Well it came to about eleven o'clocl and I had to wake him then, I was about to go to sleep and I didn't want to put crickets in there while he was sleeping. (I have this weird fear that they'll all gang up and try to kill him, I know that might be strange but my friend lost an animal to crickets once because she pout too many in his tank at once and I want to avoid the same fate.) So I woke him up, gently and put crickets in there. He didn't go straight for them so I gave him some time but in the morning it seemed like he had only eaten one (MAYBE). Then I woke him again to check on him (I know I should leave him alone but I get so scared...><) and he still wouldn't go after the crickets. He did poop though and it was yellow in color and very watery.

I assume all this is because I fed him the larger crickets, but I don't know in what way this could have harmed him. >< When I picked him up at the store the person told me (I know they're not always reliable) that he could prolly take down a medium sized cricket with no problems, and he did.

Could the larger crickets have hurt him somehow? He ate them quickly, though it took him a bit longer to swallow them. I'm going to leave him be with the crickets in his viv for now and wait until he's ready to eat them. I'm just so nervous. I guess I don't understand how just feeding him larger crickets could hurt him unless they're harder to digest, which I get, but how could that have cause his watery, yellow poop? This is so scary. >< Any suggestions you guys have would really help, thanks.

[Rocko]

Mine went through a few adjustment days, sleeping at night, still eating poorly, poop a little odd. But I can say this, the odd sleeping has passed, and i think it was just part of adjusting to things. It is very active and climbing now, so I suggest waiting it out a few days, offering food, but not panicking so much. Worst case, try a very dillute pedialyte solution that can stimulate appetite.

[Kisa]

Mine went through a few adjustment days, sleeping at night, still eating poorly, poop a little odd. But I can say this, the odd sleeping has passed, and i think it was just part of adjusting to things. It is very active and climbing now, so I suggest waiting it out a few days, offering food, but not panicking so much. Worst case, try a very dillute pedialyte solution that can stimulate appetite.

Thanks Rocko, hopefully it is just an adjustment thing. It's just weird because he ate like a starving orphan the first two days, he even went crazy for those larger crickets and now all of a sudden he just ins't interested. When I pulled him out he was active, walking from hand to hand and even taking little jumps. When I changed his paper towels he climbed the glass because I think he was looking for his coco hut. His eyes are bright too. There was another odd thing, when I first brought him home he stayed a blue or greenish color while he was sleeping and since I fed him the larger crickets he's turned a really dark brown, almost black while he sleeps. This is probably just due to stress...hopefully if I just leave him alone he'll be ok.

[Rocko]

I think it's the adjustment to being alone and well fed. From being in a petshop with other froggies and constantly competing for food, Bruce probably went overboard the first few days. Now he's getting his stomach to settle.

[Kisa]

I think it's the adjustment to being alone and well fed. From being in a petshop with other froggies and constantly competing for food, Bruce probably went overboard the first few days. Now he's getting his stomach to settle.

Yeah...you're probably right. I'm probably just over reacting. I know Mr. Campbell went through something similar to this after I started having to bring him to the vet. He wouldn't eat for two days and then all of a sudden he decided he was hungry again and after that he was constipated for almost three weeks, now he's doing everything normally again. It was a pretty tumultuous few weeks but we got through it. I'll give little Bruce Wayne a few days and just hang on to hope that he's adjusting and he just needs some time. ><

Thanks Rocko, I really feel better now. It always helps when someone gives me good news from their own experience. ^ ^

Real quick, you said your White's poops were odd for a bit? Did you experience what I am, yellow and watery, or something else?

[Rocko]

Well before he got put on the dark brown substrate, the paper towels he was on had maybe not totally watery, but more like sprinkles of poo instead of the normal white's logs you seem to find all the time. Now it may just be because of the way he likes to sit that just made a mess of it after the fact, but that's what I had seen.

[Kisa]

Well before he got put on the dark brown substrate, the paper towels he was on had maybe not totally watery, but more like sprinkles of poo instead of the normal white's logs you seem to find all the time. Now it may just be because of the way he likes to sit that just made a mess of it after the fact, but that's what I had seen.

Ok I see what you're saying. Yeah when I first brought little Mr. Wayne home his poops were big and fat like you'd expect from a White's, then after I fed him the large crickets I saw kind of what your describing, like a sprinkling of little poops here and there, like he was moving while evacuating or something. And then he did the watery yellow one this morning. Maybe he really hadn't eaten any large crickets before (like they said he had in the store) and his body has to adjust to the differences between them and the babies. Either way he needs time.

I feel loads better now that you mentioned the situation with your White's. I remember you saying that it was hard at first because it's belly was misleading and you weren't sure if it was really eating or not? Babies can be tough, but my big guy was a brat at first so at least I have some experience dealing with difficulties. XD

[Rocko]

Yeah I mean, I have my big healthy Indonesian whites that eats as soon as the bugs hit the ground, but this will be my second blue phase, and they always seem to come younger, I guess cause people snatch them up so quickly. While my current one is maaaaaaybe 2 inches right now, the first one I had was thumbnail sized and never ate. That did not end well inspite of my efforts. I am beginning to think food size matters greatly, especially since I suspect the blue ones might be from the shallow end of the gene pool and harbor some difficulties.