Australian or Indonesian ?

[wesleybrouwer]

Yep, 100% Indonesian.

All the WC animals are Indonesian since Australia don't allow the export,
so if you can buy WC Australian it is illegal, so don't buy.

The Australian form isn't easily found 100% pure, since a lot of people mixed them in with the Indonesians.
One of the reasons is people just don't know about it, a L.caerulea is 1 species so why seperate? Something similair with the Red eyed tree frogs,
there is a huge difference in localities, but i rarely come by people knowing it.
A lot of mixing occurs there as well, so you end up with frogs of wich you are unable to tell what is what.
I even saw a breeding pair of wich male and female where the same size

On the other hand, the small amount of Australian caerulea makes it difficult to keep the population healthy and strong, so there had to be chosen, do we just accept any decline by inbreeding, or do we outbreed them with the Indonesian form wich is available enough and still considered as the same species.

In the wild the Indonesians tend to be larger overall, altough there are Australian populations reaching the same sizes as well.
So it isn't that black and white.

The bumps on the head can occur in both variaties more or less.
Altough the Indonesian tend to get overweighted a little easier.
When overweighted they will get layers of fat on the body and head, giving them the dumpy tree frog look.
So when you have an Aussie moving less then a Indonesian, it just might be the other way around with the ridges on the head.
So it isn't all that easy indentifying them by shape, this can be individual and
crossbreeds are quit common as well.

Let's say, chances on a pure Australian green tree frog in perfect health (genetical) are small.

[spankyg]

Let's say, chances on a pure Australian green tree frog in perfect health (genetical) are small.

If anyone needs a look at some pure aussie blood, I can provide

[Leefrogs]

I know I'm so green with envy. Do your guys ever go brown?
And when do they start getting the spots? Like 6 months old?

[spankyg]

I know I'm so green with envy. Do your guys ever go brown?
And when do they start getting the spots? Like 6 months old?

haha, well, it is exactly like "amisbeef" said, how they don't ever completely go brown, only the top of them turns to a real light brown, and the sides are still vividly green.

Regarding the spots, mine have had them since they were tiny froglets (they became visible when they were fully grown tadpoles).

[Leefrogs]

O I C!!!! Good to know they're born with them. Because the boys and blue phase were both unhappy brown in the store, and I left them alone allot at first, I wasn't sure they got them after they got home.

[Kisa]

haha, well, it is exactly like "amisbeef" said, how they don't ever completely go brown, only the top of them turns to a real light brown, and the sides are still vividly green.

Regarding the spots, mine have had them since they were tiny froglets (they became visible when they were fully grown tadpoles).

Yeah my little baby blue has spots already, and a white stripe on either side of his head. The blue phase are purely Aussie right? Or can they be Indie too? For some reason I always assumed the blues were Aussie only, I could be wrong though. From looking at little Mr. Wayne though I can see that he has more Aussie-like features, more definition in the face and smaller ridges, but he is just a baby after all. XD

[spankyg]

Yeah my little baby blue has spots already, and a white stripe on either side of his head. The blue phase are purely Aussie right? Or can they be Indie too? For some reason I always assumed the blues were Aussie only, I could be wrong though. From looking at little Mr. Wayne though I can see that he has more Aussie-like features, more definition in the face and smaller ridges, but he is just a baby after all. XD

He sounds Aussie, mine have those distinctive white streaks on either side of their heads running down to the base of their arms as well. Have no idea about the blue phase frogs.. to be honest I've never seen one down here that's blue.. this is probly because they are produced through the selective breeding of (apparently)Australian whites with the most blue coloration. I do believe that Australian Whites tend to be more vibrant, with colors closer to brighter shades of green with the infrequent occurrence of aqua, cyan and turquoise. Breeders undoubtedly morphed these rarities and created what you now have as the “Blue Whites”. Without question, these Blue Whites would stand out like a sore thumb in the wild, they wouldn’t stand a chance to predators (probly why I haven’t seen them,). And frogs are an extremely rare pet in Australia, (I’ve never come across one in any pet shop down here before) so you won't find them there either.

[Kisa]

He sounds Aussie, mine have those distinctive white streaks on either side of their heads running down to the base of their arms as well. Have no idea about the blue phase frogs.. to be honest I've never seen one down here that's blue.. this is probly because they are produced through the selective breeding of (apparently)Australian whites with the most blue coloration. I do believe that Australian Whites tend to be more vibrant, with colors closer to brighter shades of green with the infrequent occurrence of aqua, cyan and turquoise. Breeders undoubtedly morphed these rarities and created what you now have as the “Blue Whites”. Without question, these Blue Whites would stand out like a sore thumb in the wild, they wouldn’t stand a chance to predators (probly why I haven’t seen them,). And frogs are an extremely rare pet in Australia, (I’ve never come across one in any pet shop down here before) so you won't find them there either.

Wow really? I figured they were more rare out here, that's some really good information to know.

And I had wondered about that stripe he has, Bruce Campbell doesn't have it (as he is light brown most of the time) and I haven't seen any White's with it before, but that's neat that yours have it. I'll have to take a closer look at their pictures.

And I believe you're right about the selective breeding. I heard somewhere (sorry I don't remember. ><) That blue phase individuals are bred from frogs that lack the yellow pigment in the skin that makes them so green, so when we see a green frog it's pigment is technically a mix of blue and yellow and the blue appears when that yellow pigment is missing. Or something like that. XD I could be wrong though, this is just a theory.

You're probably right about them in the wild too, I didn't think about the implications of blue frogs amongst green and brown backgrounds but it would be safe to assume that if there are any wild blue phase, they've been eaten up or will be soon.