Size Questions

[Sierra]

Would an 18x18x24 exo terra be big enough for 3 Whites? I have two in there, which is plenty, but I was just curious about that. It's about 33 gallons.

Also, what could I put into a 12x12x12 exo terra? They seem to be to small for anything.

[1beataway]

Yes.

And there are some small frogs that you could put into the small one. Kurt has quite a few frogs in small tanks. He can give you a list.

[Leefrogs]

ya, I would like to squeeze another one in my tank of same size. But my 2 don't get on too well. So I'm going to wait till they r used to eachother. And see how much they grow, mine r 21/2 and3. If they stay this small I might get a new 1. I really want a blue.

[wesleybrouwer]

In my noble opinion, 2 is really the max. on that space.

The small viv wouldn't be big enough to house frogs for long,
it can be used for quarantaine or raising your offspring,
but no more then that.
Even for the thumbnails it is a size that might work and might not.
I heard people breeding with a breeding couple Ranitomeya in it, but i also heard about it failing.
Personally i would not even consider putting anything in it besides insects or temporarily some offspring.

[Animalnstinct]

I think 3 would be fine in that size of an exo terra. I know a lot of people who put a max of 4 in that size exo terra and the little guys are living healthy and happy.

[Leefrogs]

thanks. Cuz I don t see many 5" whites, is it me or they running smaller? Maybe we should do a poll?

[Sierra]

Ginger and Lee- I guess I was lucky enough to get two that are already used to each other

I just hate going into pet stores and seeing frogs in bad situations It makes me want to take them all home!

wesleybrouwer- I think I'm going to keep the small one for quarentine/sick tank, I want to be sure it will be enough space for an animal before I even try it.

[Sierra]

My one white is pretty large, about 4, 4 1/2 inches?
Also depends on male or female I suppose

[Leefrogs]

ya, females are bigger, but I don't see many that big, maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. There was a thread like a month ago titled frogs for 5 gallon, and there were a bunch of answers for what can go in there. Maybe use forums search and see if u can find it. I'd do it for u but on **** iPhone that has no cut and paste. So I wouldn't be able to forward anyways. 12x12x12= and divide by231=7.5 gal.

[wesleybrouwer]

Come on.
You got to be kidding.
Who advised such a small tank for a frog ?

If you don't like to spend more room, look into another hobby....
Maybe stamp collecting ?

I am,not used to gallon and inches,
But what I looked up on the size is it is a tank of 40x20x25cm.
That is really to small to provide enough space.
But well, maybe it is common use over there, although doubtful.
Around here a minimum for the smallest species would be no less then 40x40x40cm, although in my opinion it can be even a small size for a couple of thumbnails.
This kind of sizes are only for my offspring to grow the first month or 4.

[Leefrogs]

COME ON. A guru answered the question on 5 gal tank. So don't jump all over on us, look it up before u dirty the sand box, were all playing nice. I just told her to search, did u?

[bshmerlie]

A 5 gallon tank is not large enough for an adult frog to live full time in. Can it fit...yes...should it fit...No. Words like "squeeze", "frogs", and "tank" should never be used all in the same sentence.

[Animalnstinct]

In centimeters the tank they are speaking of ( 12 x 12 x 12 inches ) is approximately 30.5 x 30.5 x 30.5 cm. The size you mentioned of 40x40x40 cm isn't a huge difference in size is it?

[Leefrogs]

There's a thread below where kurt ans 5 gal quest. And hers like 2 gal bigger. I can't cut and paste to quote anybody.

[bshmerlie]

In centimeters the tank they are speaking of ( 12 x 12 x 12 inches ) is approximately 30.5 x 30.5 x 30.5 cm. The size you mentioned of 40x40x40 cm isn't a huge difference in size is it?

A 12x12x12 is just over 7 gallons. A 40cmx40cmx40cm is 16.91 gallons. I know size is relative but it does seem like a huge difference to me. Wesley even suggested that was a minimum size that he would recommend.

[Leefrogs]

Wow I wish I had cut and paste, 2 weeks ago u said something different in 5.5 gal post I found below. So I guess it just matters on the day?!?

[bshmerlie]

If someone sounds like they insist on "squeezing" a frog into a small space then I would recommend the smallest frogs i can think of. Wouldn't you? But you're back to can they fit fit or should they fit. But if you pushed real hard you could probably squeeze in at least five hundred ...what do you think?

[wesleybrouwer]

Sorry, maybe got to you in the wrong way,
No offence ment

I did look the thread up, it was about 5,5 gallon tank,
There was also mentioned it was to small.
I looked up the size since We never use gallons .
The size I found was that of an aquarium, a 30x30x30 tank is a regular size as well.
As I said, it only has a purpose for raising offspring .

By most people, the 40x40 tank is considered enough, although it might pose problems when you have a dominant individual .
I always use a minimum of 60x40x40 cm, not sure about the gallons ,as well for the small species.

I found that the frogs will show more natural behavior when properly sized tanks are used.I think its nicer to be able to witness that then placing them in a to small tank just to be able to have more species.
When the tank is to small, sometimes it seems everything is working fine, just because they aren't able to maintain a territory , when you housevest them properly sized, they will start fighting.
This may seem ok, but it may stress them out, not creating and maintaining a territory .
They simply don't fight because the lack of room.

[wesleybrouwer]

I checked the cm and inches.
30x30 cm is approx 12x12 inch 40x40 cm is approx 16x16 inch.


How many gallons that is ? I have no idea

[Sierra]

Cubic Inches to US Gallons (Liquid) conversion calculator
Cubic Centimeters to US Gallons (Liquid) conversion calculator
Those two might help

There are also converters to gallons dry, but I'm not sure what that really means..
I realize that a 12x12x12 is quite small for any frog, and I think I will just keep it as an emergency tank, because you can never know when you will need one.

I really like frogs, but at the time right now I couldn't get another frog anyways, thats something for after college
PS. Any stories or advice for taking a frog to college?? :P