Whites shedding problem??? plz help

[illadelfyaEAGLE]

I was away last weekend and when i got home i noticed a green blotch on my whites tree frog. My whites is almost always green but this time he was brown. During the next few days he turned green again and the blotch was brown. The temp is 83 during the day, humidity 60-65%. He is moving around and eating. Has anyone seen this before? If it is skin should i try and remove it? i don't want it to get infected or anything.

[tjtreefrog]

Unfortunately I'm not sure what this is, but if this is dead skin, I would try gently spraying him with room temp water to see if it helps loosen it. Sorry I can't offer much help. I wish you the best of luck with your White's.

[Leefrogs]

you need to have Kurt or Paul look at this. Imeadiatley!!!

[illadelfyaEAGLE]

whats the best way to contact them? I private messaged them but got no response.

[tjtreefrog]

Private messages should work. You could also go to their profile page and leave a visitor message. The thing that puzzles me about this spot is that it changes colors. I hope you get everything figured out.

[illadelfyaEAGLE]

The spot is drier then the rest of the frogs skin. I soaked him in a warm water and skin sloughed off, and there was a very tiny amount of blood around the margins of the spot, but almost barely noticeable. I put some neosporin on it

[tjtreefrog]

That's great to hear!

[wesleybrouwer]

Skin burn maybe?
Can it reach the lamps or something?

[illadelfyaEAGLE]

It looked like a skin burn to me too. But my heat lamp is suspended over the top of the terrarium screen. Its only a 50 watt bulb, the temp in the basking area is 83 degrees

[illadelfyaEAGLE]

Some clear skin sloughed off but the brown blotch is still there.

[Leefrogs]

ya,PM should have worked. I've only seem a couple pict of cytrid the skin desease. And was scared for your frog. If it is a burn I'll be more content. Still wish I knew more, heard of treatment with metafix at half streingth. It's a blue teatree oil that used for fish diseases and cuts and control some parasites. I haven't used this method, and it's not in frog first aide in this site. Would like other peoples opinion. Hint hint, Kurt, Paul, anyone?

[Kurt]

It could be a burn. Does any object that frog comes in contact with get hot? If the frog is eating that's a good sign. Do not use and Neosporin if it has any pain reliever in it ,as this will kill your frog. Just continue what you are doing and if it starts to spread see a vet immediately.

Good luck

[illadelfyaEAGLE]

I have an XL exo terra terrarium and the UV and heat lamp are set outside the tank above the screen top, so theres no contact there. It certainly looks like necrotic tissue. Today i was closely examining the enclosure and i saw a little black ant. I think its Monomorium minimum according to my Audubon field guide. I have no idea how it got in there. I did recently order moss from black jungle, maybe some hitched a ride. I think they're fairly harmless, but that got me thinking, what if its another insect/spider bite? Maybe i should remove all the substrate and add new stuff. This really has me dumbfounded as i take really good care of my frog. Could it have been a problem shedding where the old skin didn't slough off properly leading to death of the underneath skin?

[illadelfyaEAGLE]

btw, I give him a warm water bath once a day (he hates it) and i've been putting neosporin (the original no painkillers) on the wound. He is still active and has a healthy appetite. I did notice that he does not bask under the heat lamp at his usual spot anymore, instead during the day he's been laying off to the side out of direct heat exposure. i turned the heat lamp off because im guessing the heat is aggravating the wound? Its like 76F without the heat lamp, 83-84F with it on.

[Leefrogs]

just checking back to see how it's going. I hope for the best. Keep us posted on the condition. It helps us learn, and support you. I read somewhere that high temps helps them fight bacterial infections, although this is not the case, maybe heat helps them heal too. Maybe aim light away from his sleeping spot. Good luck and best wishes

[DonLisk]

My smallest whites has the same mark in the same spot as your pics at the beginning of this thread. Hes been himself and sometimes its dark and sometimes its lighter colored. He has not changed his routine and soaks nightly.

I originally though bite mark from one of the larger frogs... or a burn.
I was also thinking he is getting under a lg he is usually near and rubbing his head off it.

Hopefully yours get well soon.

[wesleybrouwer]

That does not look OK at all.
Better let him check with a vet.
Could be an infected wound or something,
guess when i would have this on my back i would be running to the hospital
My best bet would be something like a bacterial infected wound, burn or not.
Looking at the edges of the wound, this isn't something that will heal overnight,
it is a nasty flesh wound.
Or the picture must be decieving me.

[TheBambooGoanna]

That does not look OK at all.
Better let him check with a vet.
Could be an infected wound or something,
guess when i would have this on my back i would be running to the hospital
My best bet would be something like a bacterial infected wound, burn or not.
Looking at the edges of the wound, this isn't something that will heal overnight,
it is a nasty flesh wound.
Or the picture must be decieving me.

I agree...it looks like it's a big chunk of skin that's gone. Could he have some how burned that area then shed, taking a few layers of burnt skin with the old layer, leaving that kind of wound?

Is he acting normal and eating alright? If it starts looking worse, find a good herp vet. Otherwise, I would keep an eye on it (and him) and make sure it starts looking better soon.

[illadelfyaEAGLE]

@ Ginger Lee-- yes since they're ectotherms an increase in temp would increase their metabolism and help stave off an infection, however it looks like a mechanical wound. I did move the light away from his basking spot though so the overall temp will be elevated in the tank.

Well its been 2 weeks since i have noticed the blotch, and subsequent necrotic-looking wound. Last night he must have ate 10 small crickets. He doesn't bounce around the terraruim at night like he did before this, but is still active. The wound does not seem to be spreading, in fact it may have shrunk slightly. For those of you with much much more experience then me, if it was fungal/bacterial wouldn't the state of the frog be much worse in two weeks then it is now?

I will be removing substrate today in an attempt to remove any insects/spiders that may have hitched a ride in. Oh on another note, several weeks ago i added an english ivy (Hedera helix) to the tank, and he seems to love hanging out in it. Does anyone know if the ivy secretes any substance that may irrate the skin? I figured it was safe but along with the moss I ordered from black jungle, this is the only other change i made to the terrarium in recent memory. Again, thank you all for your support. I will keep everyone posted.

[illadelfyaEAGLE]

I just may have figured it out...hopefully. When i disturbed him to get the latest pic, he went and wedged himself (tightly) between the background ( a styrofom rock-like background that came with the exo terra) and the top metal screen. I noticed bright green markings where his skin is in conntact with the screen, much like the very first pic in this thread. Perhaps he wedges himself so tightly that circulation is cut off or maybe just rubbing occurs. Maybe the frogs skin is delicate enough to be effected by this. I blocked the space where he wedges himself with paper towel. We'll see if that helps.